Insanelymac - censorship and pure propaganda

[tty7]

I needed to come here as it seems free speech seems to have become impossible on insanelymac.com, but I wanted that everyone knows what is going on for real there.

I just wanted to say that I am really impressed with what kind of tricks Jason Swadly alias SWAD is trying to make semthex look like a fool on insanelymac.com, just for public saying what many people think.
Basicly I posted some critic to this thread mentioned on semthex blog in the comment on SWADs sell-out of insanelymac. After this post I was unable to post anymore. The thread was set to moderation and I got a really nasty and untrue answer of him, it did not contain any insultment, just some questions he seem to be unable to answer.
What has happened? My answer to SWADs just was taken out from the thread. SWAD only accepts answers on this thread putting semthex into a bad ligth as it seems. This behaviour of targeted censorship shows only that someone does not want to see the truth.
Thank you SWAD for opening my eyes what kind of person you really are, now I don't have no doubts anymore on anything said.

The title you edited is really wrong, it should be "SWAD's propaganda on semthex's critics".

I have been around since Win2Osx days but now I am really impressed what this community came to.

[semthex]

I moved this to the opinions and Discussion forum. Even if I see as well as you what is going on, this does not belongs to the news.
Thanks for this info anyways but as I said on my blog, this is a way to stupid, as I told my opinion and don't think I need to justify to more and more just poor, like you called it, "real propaganda".

[tty7]

No problem with the move. Just wanted to let you know.

Here just some more proofs what is going on, independant and before they got removed:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/209/screenshotswadhx7.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotswadhx7.jpg)

Also here one of Kal's postings in original wording (censored on imac):

http://www.pastebin.ca/414045

[aberracus]

i have been put in moderation mode also, just for critizing Swad, he is really a Dictator, or a real politic of nowdays....

Anyway, lets wellcome here the real freedom of speach wich was destroyed by Swad in insanelymac.com

[Kal]

For those wondering just how bad it got... The original post I made - which as anyone can plainly see never resorted to childish namecalling and *was* about as civil as could be expected - was removed no less than three or four times before Mashwadley "allowed it to stay because he isn't afraid of debate". ;) Several other posts questioning all the editing and apparent deletions going on were dealt with in the same way. There was also one made last night by someone that I believe was instantly closed, supposedly as "flame bait" again, even though it too was civil and pretty well made.

His talk about being willing to discuss it maturely was fairly ironic and shown up as hypocritical yesterday with that repost I made of semthex's commentary, where he edited the post title and my username. There was absolutely nothing in the post that was "flamebait" etc, just a word for word copy. I believe even one of the users has pointed this out to him - I wouldn't know since I can no longer even access the site to discuss it anyway. I did have a response to his "critique" of my original post, which I may post later as it'll clear up some things even further.

For anyone wondering what my crimes against the site were - I posted one time to say good riddance to sHARD about a month or so ago. As best as I recall, that was it. The sum total of our "disruptiveness". You know how concerned he was about us? Concerned enough that... we still had site credit and staff access almost a year afterward.
Clearly he was concerned `all along`then. ;)
For the record, I also *did* approach him on IRC, quite calmly. Twice. He very plainly just didn't want to listen and some anger did creep in.
TBH, mostly right now it's just depressing that he still can't admit that the devs were even partly responsible for the success of the site. Enough people have been trying to point it out to him now, and it's clearly become a waste of time even attempting to debate it. Wandering into #osx86 on irc.moofspeak.net to talk to him will soon prove this to anyone who still doubts it.
Anyway... fair sure this will continue in some fashion. We all know who does the real work around here, just a shame he won't admit to it or refuses to debate doing so.

Also, thanks to the devs and others for all the nice supportive comments I have had for trying to get you back the credit you deserve.

[coolbits]

So it now seems that Bofors was right on censoring on imac... interesting.
Its definately not a good thing to delete posts to cover up your ass as mash does... he could just admit it hes wrong. Same things happens with US government :) any government...

[sampson]

here's the pm i got from swad for that second post i made if anyone cares:

Your post was flamebait and you know it. You also know we don't allow that kind of post.
Your posts are still allowed with the old account, but have to be approved by a mod first. If you prove you want to have an actual discussion instead of flaming, we'll let you post freely again. Until then......

[aberracus]

Swad mailed me after i asked:

"Where the developers have gone? the best of our gurus and modders arent in insanely mac anymore, they are probably running from the obvious greed and censorship wich hese forums are full nowadays..." (or somethinglike that)
I read your post about the developers - well, actually it was about me, it was flamebait, and against forum policy, so I unapproved it.

Do you really think I'm a bad guy? After I IMed you and tried to help you understand where I was coming from (taking time out of my day to talk to someone that I've never met who really doesn't have anything to do with my life... just like I'm writing you this PM now to talk with you about this)?

Give me a chance, man - I'd be happy to talk things through with you. Almost everyone who knows me knows I'm not a "dictator" like you say... I hope that as you get to know me, you'll think the same.

Anyway, as is standard procedure here, all of your posts will require a moderator to approve them until you prove to us that you want to contribute here instead of just bad mouthing. It's one thing to express concern - it's another to call names and act like a child. We encourage the first - we hate the latter.

-Swad


InsanelyMac
you're in cmd.

You are in cmd? he means, he is in cmd. isnt he?

I assured the generalisimo swad that i would not talk forum politics in insanelymac anymore, so can keep helping newbies there, now my posting privileges are back....

But im obviously censored.

i writte him back
So you are acting like a dictator now, i am wrong?

so i need to be censored now, really i love the idea of you quiting being administrator.

I DONT HATE YOU, i hate your manners, you are like all the politics, you say flowers but act like the lion, killing all threads not in your interest, you really want to kill the forum?

You bully me when we talk by im last time, you closed the connection at your own will, so i now after 800 hundred posts to this community that you are selling out of greed in my point of view, need to be censored?

This is not a community anymore that im proud off

You want to ban my account?

As you have already sold the site i would ask for a minimum respect from your side, i really hope the new administrator is a good guy and the ship could be back to usual problem solving.

As only you can see, its your way of acting censoring like exactly you have already done with my post the cause of me naming you dictator.

In the hopes of just getting a new good guy at the rudder of this ship i promise you not to call you names IN INSANELY MACFORUMS, i will keep my right to saying what i think of you here in the private of the PMs.

I repeat, dont hate you, i just disklike you.


Sincerely

Aberracus

[tty7]

Okay, so it looks like I am not alone. Looks really like any not "good" answer is considred automaticly flaming by him. That is pretty poor.

[Kal]

Again he responds with the "flamebait/childish" line... nothing in what you said was namecalling or less than worthy of discussion.
This is what would have been my response to Mash's little "plea" about my post. It was written before the semthex commentaries. Mostly it was just to address his criticisms. (If anyone still wants to post it to there, you are free to do so.)

Kal-
You were banned once because you’ve proven you have no interest in being an active part of this community, only to spew hate-filled nonsense that is a discredit to the human race. Your post has no merit, you make assertions without any evidence, and even though I should have deleted all of your posts (as we typically do for those evading bans), I decided to let one stay and to respond to it so that everyone can see how utterly nonsensical what you say is.

No merit? Sorry but when your own staff and the devs are saying otherwise, I tend to take their word that it does. I also wasn't banned once for not being an active part of the community. That was done because we were behind the merger falling through and cmoski was pissed. Which incidentally has all cleared up since this happened. Funny that for a post without merit. The only other incident at all was my posting "Do let the door hit you on the way out." in sHARD's leaving thread. You also didn't "let it stay."


1. AppleLegal, a *current* member of your IRC staff was one of the ones saying it, many were ex staff like myself, Star, and it was posted by a recent staff member at the request of another recent staff member. Nearly all of who left *because* you are most definitely not a good admin, and why on earth would they say it if it wasn't true?
Well, there are a lot of reasons. You’ll never agree with everyone. Frankly, I’ve never done a thing to you, Star, AppleLegal, or the mysterious “recent staff member.” Nothing. I’m sure you’ll get to what I’ve done to be “not a good admin” later, but your list of people with n sao credibility outside your own clique proves nothing.

People with credibility like the admin of the network you were originally on perhaps then? Or myzar? Or semthex? or again the staff members who have been talking to me? You see Mash what most people are seeing is that I have been around since the very beginning. I was there, so were they. There weren't "a lot of reasons". We left because we had zero support from you and things got too bad for it to be worth us bailing your IRC channel that you admit you didn’t really care about, out. I even stayed in there the longest to give you a chance to get people to take over, you chose instead to close it down because there was nobody left to staff it.


As for us having "changed names" supposedly well, you may notice that on digg you also have a different name.
It’s not that using a different nick is wrong – I have no problem having more than one – but when someone posts as nvidiauser, and that wasn’t who was actually posting, it’s clear you’re trying to impersonate someone, which is wrong. Don’t try to take the moral high ground here.

This one is hilarious. For one thing, you can believe it was me or whoever else all you like. Even nvidiauser himself knows who it was now and again, I've spoken to him already and we're quite clear. So I have no moral high ground to take. He knows it wasn't me. Perhaps check up on things before you go making accusations like that. Anyone would think you were trying to make me look bad.


We've never hidden and sneaked around…
See above. Post as yourself next time instead of trying to demean someone else's name.

Yeah, I should really expect an apology or take back of this now shouldn't I? Not that you made a baseless accusation without checking the facts of course. :P


…nor have we actively had someone spy on the "enemy". Remember that little incident Mash?
No, actually, I don’t. We’ve never had an “enemy” here. We’ve had competing sites in the past, but no enemies. And no, we've never spied on anyone.

*Cough* Davey- *cough*. Don't say "we" unless you can speak for all of your group. It's now been made common knowledge that there was, and who started that off. (Hi, sHARD!) :)



2. On behalf of the older staff let's clarify a few things that people always wondered about, hopefully to make people realise how much you guys cover up and gloss over things that aren't "good for your image".
Indeed, let’s look at the evidence, shall we?

Ooh, he can write in a demeaning fashion. I'm impressed. What exactly was the point of this..?


We were not `fired`. We were not `removed` from the positions. Not in any way, shape or form.
Lie #2. You were on IRC staff (and many from your clique were forum staff), but you made it clear you didn’t want to work on making the site better, only cause trouble. You mean to tell me you or Star ever cared at all about this site? You didn’t. That was clear from the beginning.

How is this a "lie"? The quote states we were not fired, removed etc. We weren't. So again, apology for childishly calling me a liar, kthx. At least support what you quote. Also if it was clear from the beginning, why did you make us IRC and site staff again? Also I’d point out again that when the IRC channel was left to go to hell in the hands of sportman, *I* was the one who stayed and kept it from completely disintegrating so that it was salvageable later. Clearly the act of a dangerous disruptive person who didn’t care even though we were leaving... oh wait, no. :)


Truth is, you even tried to get us to come back, didn't you? We declined again.
Haha. I tried to get us to a point where we could all be cordial and work on the same network, yes. Now being a peacemaker is a bad thing? Please - it was you and Star who wasn't willing to work with anyone on reconciliation.

This wasn't what was being referred to. I meant when the original split occured and we were first saying we were leaving. Weren't willing to work with anyone? No. Weren't willing to work with sHARD. Since he couldn't be removed - because you said yourself you were somewhat dependant on him - there was nothing further to go through.


The staff were, in more or less yours and sHARD's exact words, "there to do the shitty job we can't be bothered with/don't have time for."
First, those weren't sHARD>>s words at all, but I’ll agree that they had that implication. Second, they weren’t mine and I was quite upset with him when I found out he had said them! We’re not one and the same, in case you hadn't noticed.

Mash... you do consider IRC the side you wanted nothing to deal with. Why not just admit that and leave the splitting hairs? You even were talking about ditching the network at one time. Incidentally, great admin there for us "rogue" ops. And taking nearly a year to remove our staff access on the forum, or credits before we pointed it out. Clearly you have your eye on the ball at all times and were quick to sort things about us having left since we were so disruptive there. Supposedly anyway. Despite us also never being around the site. Ahem.


We provided the support to the people in the very beginning, not you.
I’ve never said otherwise. You worked on IRC. What I did was manage this site and try to hold things together on IRC. I finally gave IRC over to others, but I provide support by providing a venue for that support.

Pay attention. In the beginning, which I am clearly talking about, there was no site. As for how disappearing for weeks and weeks with no word from either you or sHARD was "holding things together" I'm not sure. That was after all one of the main reasons things fell apart for you. We got NO support - even when we did ask for it. Remember the ignorantcow incident with Exposay? (Even icow and I are now at peace since I posted this.)
One thing stood out clear. We worked. You “managed”.


If you honestly believe you haven't been making money by standing on the shoulders of hard work done by him, myzar, aRT, semthex, Paulicat and the others, you're clearly deluded.
Well, I’d argue the delusion is elsewhere, but I won’t lower myself to your ad hominem attacks. Nevertheless, how have I made money from these guys? I just host the forum, man. People are free to go where they’d like – if it bothered you so much, you could have started up another site that fit your own interests better.

Where is this attack? I pointed out what you've been doing. Not one single person so far from "our side" or "your side" has disagreed with me on that part. In fact as I understand it, semthex has posted the very same sentiments on his own site. As for another forum... I've done so, as have the people worth respecting.

But let’s not forget how many donations those “devs” have taken. Hmmm… it seems I’m not only one who has benefited from this work.

Ah, so implying they don't deserve it? That will go down really well. As it already has done. I thought you respected their work. Also, they haven't quite gone as to selling up for personal profit. Different situations. semthex for one even lists his donations.


The developers are sick of it too with this news by the sounds of it, hence the backlash and why they have moved off to their own IRC network now.
Get your facts straight. They moved two weeks ago, before I had even decided to sell. They moved because of conflict with IRC staff members – not me.

Conceded the point on the IRC conflict. The message still stands though. myzar for one has already made it clear that he (and others since) think this whole thing stinks. You've lost them, and any real shred of respect they had left with this act.

[Kal]

Mash/Swad however? Everyone remember him asking for donations for a Macbook as a "reward" or a "thank you"? Remember that while he was doing that, he was making these supposed $1,500-2000 profits per month (more of which in a moment).
I didn’t ask for donations for the MacBook – it was a referral program, which was very clear to everyone. You’re bad at making arguments, but apparently even worse at reading. “Revenue” is not the same as “Profit” and no one with any ounce of business expense would spend their entire business account for one thing, computer or otherwise. I didn’t have the money to buy a laptop, even with all the site money, at the time. Referrals were the only way to get it. Also, everyone who “donated” as you call it was paid back for their referral. Every dime. Next time, do some research before you just make these wild claims.

Oh goody. Technicalities and semantics, always the fun of any internet debate. Anyway, at least you admit it was a business there. We're getting somewhere. I also assume you meant business acumen or something similar there rather than “expense” if we’re arguing technicalities now.


Ah the supposed $1500-2000 per month. Let's look at that for the potential buyer, shall we now? Sounds a lot doesn't it? Not bad anyway.
Did you even read the full auction? I posted the Adsense revenues and showed that the $2000 was a GREAT month and that $140 was a GREAT day – not the norm. That was clear to everyone. What we generally made was a lot lower than that. Why do you keep talking about things you have no clue about?

Uh Mash... if I estimated high and people would be making a loss *on your own figures*... and you also say they would be be making less than that... you're stating that they'll be making an even bigger loss. You overstated it in the auction but that was the evidence potential bidders had at first. You also said more or less that this amount was "easy" to make if they tried.

Might want to reconsider that. Anyone can sit and understand the concept there. I even said it myself that if you overestimated or underestimated it was a lossmaker but I guess you missed that. Whose reading skills did you pick at again..?
And I assume you mean the adsense revenues that by posting in that context, violate the adsense TOS? Oops, better be quiet about that.


Who would go in for a deal where they end up losing money the first year *except* someone who wants to make a profit in the future?
What a stupid question. Who wouldn’t lose money (it’s called ‘cost of purchase, BTW, not losing money, which implies a negative income stream) if they thought the future would make up for it? If they were passionate about running a community like this and thought they could recoup their expenses in a year? And what’s your point here anyway?

In a year? At $20K perhaps. You want to know where I got the calculations done? I asked someone who runs extremely successful communities. It was him who pointed out that at $75k with costs taken into account, you'd need two years of perfect unbroken "good days" just to break even. What's my point? My point is - it's a dud. This community is breaking up, or had you failed to notice that just as you’re off?


Well, let's go onto something even our "bias" can't dispute...
Ok, you (or actually, Zappy) can add and subtract. Your mothers would be proud. But what you’re not seeing is the stats for all of 2005 and 2006. January was a great month for us (ever hear of Macworld?). We don’t always have the same amount of traffic and a lot of the traffic is based on what Apple is doing at the time, digs we get, etc. You make this huge claim that the site is dying based on 3 months of data? Please. You’d be a good fit for Congress, but I hope that analyzing trends doesn’t become your day job.

If you had access to all the stats, like the buyers did, you’d see that the site has been steadily growing since it started.

The site has been steadily growing... and three months - the LATEST three whose data was available to us at the time - show a precipitous drop starting. Okay... we'll see how that goes now. Still, at least you're not resorting to ad hominem attacks there. That would just be ironic... I haven't done so once so far which says a lot if we're talking maturity here.


Not one of the true original group can remember Mash doing *anything* worth note.
Hmm… starting #osx86, working with Shuddertrix to start the wiki and forum, taking over when personal issues forced him to leave, letting the world know about the TPM, the leaks, bringing people to a central site to talk about things and find info… I’d hate to see what the collective IQ of this “true original group” (which includes whom?) is, because when you “sit around and try to think” the results aren’t that great.

I named a lot of them earlier on. You can even reread things to see that you know. How big do you think that would've gotten without us to actually help people run the damn thing in the early days? Even more so without the devs. You had trouble replacing us because nobody else had the experience. And once again, this was often prior to the site starting up in any meaningful fashion.


Shuddertrix - the original *true* admin - started things.
Wrong again. He and I worked together. He did the tech stuff since he could, but I organized it, did all the post-installation customization, picked out skins, etc.

Funny. I remember ALL of us discussing those aspects like skins. I remember personally talking to the logo designer quite a bit too. Still, don't let a hazy memory stop you there.


He didn't even design the site. ignorantcow did.
Right. And we paid icow handsomely for it, even though he was in breach of the original terms of our agreement. He didn’t fulfill the contract in time, but I paid him everything I said I would. Is that something that someone so sinister would do?

What was easier? A) start a fight with the site designer or B) pay and move on. Not that it even has bearing on what I said, considering it's a point on how you didn't do the work and not whether you paid him.


Mash stabbed Shuddertrix in the back to do it.
Shuddertrix (Cut...) You knew he was having issues at the time, yet you force me to drag out someone else’s personal issues here for all to see, just to refute a baseless accusation. You should be ashamed.

For one thing, no, I did NOT know. Don’t go making claims for me. For another... Where did I "force you to drag it out"? You chose to get into personal details about someone else - a fact I find quite disgusting myself - to try make me look bad, and it was very obviously done too. You couldn't have figured a way to say things without doing so? I'm not the one who should be ashamed posting someone's personal life here to score points among your fanbase.

[Kal]

Mash... idled.
...and did a lot of work on the forum. If you’d notice, IRC has never been my top priority – the forum was once it was established. You wouldn’t know that since you really didn’t care about it, but I was here. Working.

There was barely even a forum at the time. Also this contradicts what you told us at the time... here we all heard it was school keeping you busy and away from IRC. Posting from class and all. Again, don't let the facts stop you.


This isn't right Mash. You know it if you realise for one single second the devs have been a huge part of "your" site's growth.
People come here for the community and discussion, not what the “devs” do. They don’t make up the site – it’s bigger than me or them or you. Do they contribute a lot to the content? Yes. Are they important? Of course. But they don’t make up the site any more than I do.

Q) What gets discussed here?
A) The work the developers do *in the majority* of cases.
Q) What is the latest forum dedicated to?
A) AppleTV hacking, again which the developers do.
(Incidentally, you might want to look into that bit about "staff posting in the open asking for hdd images". What with that strict no piracy policy and the deal with Apple and all regarding the DMCA violations previously).
You may want to read semthex’s site to see how people are reacting to this all.


We've told the truth to the community *we* started.
This is most laughable comment of all! Who started the IRC channel? Who worked so hard on getting this forum and wiki up and running, which is how most people found out about IRC anyway? Me. Not you, Kal. Not Star. Me. And Shuddertrix. And shard>>>, cmoski, other, etc. I’ve worked with people, but for you to claim that your little posse of idiots started this community is an insult to everyone here.

The users created all of this. Developers and regular users alike. An idea like "hey let's start a channel and a site" is not creating a community. Where did the community begin? By your own history of OS X x86, osba. On IRC. Then it grew in our channel. You know, the one you admit you didn't have much to do with anyway.
Would that have happened if we had all gone away instead? Not at the pace it did, for sure. And once again, go with the childish personal insults yourself there rather than keeping it civil. This community wouldn't be here without the developers. It would also have been to a much lesser extent without us to guide people on installing the first releases. The point of the site was to spread that knowledge, was it not? Thus, grow the community.


Kal - former member of staff and original IRC staff.
You’ve really made yourself out to be the hero in this, but let’s talk about what you’ve really done... and haven't done.

Actually, I’ve made the community at large and those who did the real work the hero – that’s the point. I posted this for the benefit of others with facts they can check with at least anyone who was around early on, knowing what to expect. I did it anyway and then sat on IRC and spoke to the people who listened even more. Where do I benefit here again?

First, you’ve never done anything for this site. Ever. Not one moderator edit. Not one single improvement. Nothing.

I never wanted a moderator position. I had it as an honorary thing as IRC staff. We all did. You were fully aware of it the whole time, and was quite clear that I wouldn't be doing much for the site itself. That IRC commitment after all to deal with. So why it matters that I never used that position is a curiousity. I wasn't a moderator, thus I didn't interfere with things that didn't directly concern me. Not spending time editing people does not equate to not contributing. My time was better served - as was the time of those experienced enough to be offering support - on IRC. Again, this is you trying to make me look bad, and I am not the point here.

Secondly, on IRC, while you did help people (I’ll give you that) you were also one of the two people I could always count on cause problems – you and Star. I did nothing to you – nothing – yet you two began to hate me (mostly because you'd just believe IRC rumors and never ask me, like a real man, for my side).

What basis do you assume I hate you on? That I disagree means I hate you automatically? Oh, and we DID ask you about things repeatedly. You know... when we could get hold of one of you. Besides we knew the rumours were true or not. I posted earlier in this how much trouble we were causing clearly – and that I was the last one who *did* try to keep something you could use in the end. You keep posting this "real man/mature" garbage. Try practicing what you preach, deal?

For no reason at all. And you hated sHARD>> and, instead of working to bring things together, threw your hands up at the first sign of trouble and immediately began a campaign to get us to leave or leave yourself. Yeah, that’s noble.

This now is a lie, flat out. We tried, no less than three times, to get either you or sHARD to simply show up to talk to us. At least on one occasion when sHARD did turn up, *HE* threw his hands up because he didn't like us questioning him, and quit the channel. The one time you managed to show up, you gave us some more of this rhetoric you're so practiced with, told us there was nothing you could do as sHARD basically had you, since he could quite easily pull the plug on things and leave you stuck on the technical end of things, (incidentally we're still aware you admitted at the time you wanted rid of him, and have done all along) and again, you left without resolving it. How was that supportive?

Finally, you were eventually banned from the forum because you proved you were too selfish to actually contribute anything worthwhile, but instead spread these lies in an effort to discredit the very people who have supported this community all along.

Which lies again? Against who? The people I've named largely know and support what I've said. More so since as I've been told. I'll even be talking to the devs later if I can to see if I got it right. I've given them the credit all through this, so how is that a discredit to them? Credit that you still won't accept is due even.

I allowed your post to stay since I’m not afraid of the truth.

Ah... so at least you accept it's true. Once again, too, you didn't "let it stay" until it was seen enough that you couldn't keep removing the debate. At which point you retorted and then locked the thread... clearly that `encouraged discussion`.

But if this is the best you have to give InsanelyMac, I’d ask that you give nothing at all. Keep acting like a two year old and reregister as many times as you’d like, but I’ll continue to ban you. No one takes you seriously any more. You have no credibility here.

Beg to differ. Apparently my credibility based on the fact I and they were there at the time has been noted by a few people. Devs, staff, users alike. As I said the people who have been around you the longest, are the ones who dislike you the most now. People *do* find that very interesting. I was also well aware you wouldn’t like it being said publically, which is why I had accounts pre-created. Whether you like it or not wasn’t the point. The point was inform, and give the respect to those who deserve it.

I’m glad you’ve wasted these hours of my life and your life by talking about these accusations that have no basis in fact.

I stated plenty of facts. They again, can be confirmed statements by anyone who was there and have been generally agreed on by most people outside your direct influence. What post were you reading?
Mash, don't try distort things here. You've actually made it more noticable to people, and they are questioning it even more. As I said people could do, several have already been discussing it with me on r-type or on moofspeak. They still can. So don't talk to me about `discussing things like gentlemen` when that was what I did and have been doing for hours. You did exactly what sHARD did in response to this discussion. You said what you wanted to, then left. You know what phrase I’ve often heard the last few days? “Mash has turned into sHARD”.
That’s people in your community, not me. Think about it for a minute. Unless there is no valid point of view except your own... which appears to be the case as you see it.

[Kal]

Longest. Post. EVER. (Nobody waste the time reading it all!)

[Kaspers]

Hell the new owners placed a big banner on the forums..
<3 CSS

[aberracus]

Kal, could you edit, to ne sure who is saying what? i really got lost... :) sorry..

[tty7]

Yes, please edit a bit fo rbetter overview, it contains MUCH intresting facts...

<script type="text/javascript" src="http://partner.fubra.com/publish/show_ads.js" ></script>

Here is the banner coed the new owner inserted for some review if anybody is bored.

[Kal]

Yeah, it was complex since it's responses mixed in with what I said.
Mashwadley's responses/quotes are now in italics alongside whatever I said which hopefully makes it *slightly* easier. I ran into trouble with the quote-per-post limit so this was the best compromise method I could think of...

Incidentally, the content of the "discussion" over there has made me feel quite ill... If you support $wad it's a love-in. If you don't you're "childish/flaming". If there's any further followup, post it here. I'm with the ones who won't ever grace it with their prescence again. It's no longer even a discussion forum. It's an agreement forum.
Yes, I also called mash a "fucking hypocrite" when I first spoke to him... this was in reference to him a) banning, editing/deleting posts and then b) saying he welcomed discussion then c) locking the topic quickly.
That is hypocritical, so the comment stands.

[joe75]

Damn Kal, you like to type :p

http://uploader.bydice.info/uploads/muted.png

http://nicemac.com/index.php?topic=177.0

[Kal]

I may not endorse the site but the logo posted there made me laugh.;)

[sg]

Yes, please edit a bit fo rbetter overview, it contains MUCH intresting facts...

<script type="text/javascript" src="http://partner.fubra.com/publish/show_ads.js" ></script>

Here is the banner coed the new owner inserted for some review if anybody is bored.

i was wondering what i needed to add exactly to my userContentent.css file to remove their new add. i tried to do a few things but i cant seem to block it.

[Chaucer]

I just stopped in to read what was going on. Just about what I expected.

Did I delete your posts? Yes. I'd do it again. I will do it again. But notice how many posts I've left up that disagreed with me. The difference between yours and theirs...

...each and every one of you had one goal in posting whatever you did - to make people angry. That's called flamebaiting. Pure and simple. You sought to make me angry - many of you did. Kal tries to play the hero here, fighting against the man to make a post to save the world. Your posts were crap, man. You don't know what you're talking about. You were also evading a ban from earlier for much of the same thing, so don't think I'll have any sympathy for you.

All of the rest of you are perfectably able to come and post a IMac, provided you will show that you're actually interested in posting and not upsetting people. That's all I ask - is that too much?

[tty7]

I assume you are MASH/SWAD.

Everything fitting not your opinion is flamebaiting, if someone asks you the wrong question he get moderated.

Also, modifying posts of people to fit your opinion or remove proofs is just one thing. poor.

If you cannot face a open discussion without censoring it, you are just hidding how things really are.

My post was really opjective on things, but you removed it cause you disliked the questions I asked, cause you cannot answer them.

You are carrying out propaganda of the worst kind, not semthex is, you are. You cannot face the truth so you run away.

Last thing, if you call me flamebaiter, what are your lies, censorship and flaming than compared? But posts without a clue insulting semthex, are ok for you than?

Flamebaiting or simply another poor explaiantion for censorship. You asked how much posts you left? Well we are pretty much aware of how many you left.

[sampson]

mash just take your money and run already. your site is fucked regardless. no sane dev will post there.

[Kal]

Insanelymac - where truth automatically = crap.
Meh. You've proven you're the one incapable of carrying on a discussion Mashwadley, quite repeatedly. *That* is what has made people ever more suspicious.
Unless discussion = agree and support otherwise delete/edit/moderation/lock will occur and accusations of "childish" behaviour automatically follow.
Star said something that you couldn't refute without looking extremely stupid. Unless you read it and entirely missed the point. I personally couldn't care less what you think of me or what was said. I've had enough people say otherwise who I have far greater respect for than you these days.

Each of the main devs I managed to speak to - the ones who have been around as long - said to me personally they support what I said 100% and were impressed with the quality of it. That's called mutual respect I believe. Just because you don't agree or think I have some agenda (which I'm still not hearing) besides showing respect to them and trying to get them the recognition they deserve, doesn't make it "crap" instantly. That's why it has had the effect it has.
Also just because you bold phrases doesn't make them any more persuasive or sincere. See? Anyone can do that, too.

[aberracus]

Joe i would love to have that banner signature!

[aNILEator]

And so I join hackintosh :P

Just out of respect to semthex really, his work along with tubgirl's 10.4.8 dvd's managed to get me onto a stable 10.4.8

I was also very dissapointed to hear insanelymac had come up for sale but accepted it, now reading your posts that were deleted etc and other members i respect's opinions i can see how bad things have become underneath.

Here's to a bright new free future for osX86 :)

[abcslayer]

Please keep hackingt0sh under a low profile. Don't make it high profile then was sunk like win2osx. I hope Art keep the "low profile spirit" ^_^. With the master piecies from mifky/vitaly and Semthex, may be the situation has changed but I prefer a low profile home.

[JaS]

I have asked to be removed from the Insanelymac irc staff. Here is the proof.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3851/picture2gl0.th.png (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture2gl0.png)

[eskurza]

Hey jas you should probably write something for the people in general.. There are so many people appreciate and respect you.

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On another note, the site seems to be drying up with no new info and discussion.
This will become more and more apprarent with all the people who "make it happen" are moving away from all the bullshit.

[JaS]

Hey jas you should probably write something for the people in general.. There are so many people appreciate and respect you.

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On another note, the site seems to be drying up with no new info and discussion.
This will become more and more apprarent with all the people who "make it happen" are moving away from all the bullshit.

Thanks for the kind words. I feel anything I would post on Insanelymac would be edited or removed. So I made this request in the staff forum then documented it here. Where I know it will stay up and and remain unchanged.

[Embio]

JaS, with all due respect I can see Hackint0sh going the same way in a year or so, its inevitable

[JaS]

JaS, with all due respect I can see Hackint0sh going the same way in a year or so, its inevitable

Hey Embio, we can hope not. At the same time we can be active to prevent it. Though I know the owner here more personally the I did Swad. Good luck to the new owners at Insanelymac.

UPDATE

I have been removed from IRC Staff status as per my request. I receved no pm from Insanelymac saying thank you for all my service. Can't say I expected any but it would have been nice.

[Embio]

I'm a natural pessimist JaS, at least this time we have some idea of what can go wrong, right?

[JaS]

I'm a natural pessimist JaS, at least this time we have some idea of what can go wrong, right?

Yes, well everyone is new the first time :) . What is the expresion I am looking for here ... ahh "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" .

[TommyKnocker]

I have been removed from IRC Staff status as per my request. I receved no pm from Insanelymac saying thank you for all my service. Can't say I expected any but it would have been nice.

im not insanelymac team. but i want to thank you for all your service.
Don't forget, we love you (and real OsX86 stuff)!!

[blackchungo]

All this @ insanelymac is really s**ty. Theres always someone taking advantage from others people work and talent (in a way is how world work). I know nothing 'bout hacking, Im just and user, but I can see how things are. I would feel the same if some is making profit with my music!. Im glad some of you are here at hackint0sh, keeping the things going. I hope it wont happend the same as at insanelymac.
thank you all developers!


Is crazy, I just realize; they own all the information contained on the forum....

[ErBiC]

This whole thing is getting really ugly. I think 3 new "Goodbye" topics were made today alone.

I don't really know what to believe anymore. Taken out of context, both "sides" seem legit, but if you put them together it's too crazy to make sense of.

I like IM for the community, but even that's starting to go down the drain. Every second post is "Can I run OS X on a PC?" or "Will this work on my hardware?" or "where do I get the files?" etc etc etc.

I really don't know anymore.:confused:

Having seen what happened to certain people (aberracus, etc.), I dont' think I'd be particularly comfortable posting anything vaguely controversial at IM, so I came here instead.

[joe75]

This whole thing is getting really ugly. I think 3 I dont' think I'd be particularly comfortable posting anything vaguely controversial at IM, so I came here instead.

Welcome aboard ErBiC :D

[SlicerDicer]

Well it looks like Insanely Mac is going to go down the tubes due to stupid things.

All the people who have contributed I think it is incredible what you have done :) Don't let random jackasses get you down.

[ErBiC]

Well, bikedude880's post got closed due to flaming, etc., and we can't say that wasn't expected eventually... Here's what Swad had to say:
...bikedude's post has an ulterior motive, which is fine - but don't let it convince you that somehow the site is dying. Quite to the contrary, we're putting things in place (like a new administration, new staff members, etc) that are making the site stronger than before.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see it anymore. Give me something overwhelmingly great that'll convince me that it is in fact growing stronger, and then maybe I'll believe it.

I supported Swad's "side" of this thing when it was just Kal ranting against him, but since then there have been more and more devs posting the same type of stuff...

[zulu.walker]

Add to the fact that their supposedly "relevant" ads are now not even relevant. Ever seen the banners to sync your PSP with your Mac? Top and bottom of the main page?

I don't even have both dammit! What a great start for the "new" owners of IM.

At least here, if you have any issues with money or any differences, people can at least speak up and discuss such things. Just be ready to defend yourself :)

Free speech rules.

[interinv]

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