[iPhone 3G] Apple has to sell unsubsidized phone

[Lacky_Iphone]

Here is my 2 cents

I think Apple has to sell unsubsidized phone in order to reach their goal of 18 mil units by end of 2008.

Steve’s reason for lower prices is that people could not afford it?, but forgot that those bargain
shoppers are more concerned about monthly price plan than price of the phone.
With bill in low $90 for 450 minutes and 200 sms (Mine is $70 something on 2G iPhone) why not go to “Unlimited plans” for $99 a month.
I am sure that Verizon and Sprint are not going to sit quietly and watch ATT take there customers.
So I think 2 things are going to happen.

1. Apple is going to sell unsubsidized phone for $399 and $499
2. ATT is going to drop the price to maybe free phone by Christmas, In order to sell there $90 plans for 450 minutes.

Apple needs to protect there own business by trying to reach there goal of 18 mil.
If Apple sells a iPhone for $199 they are getting $200 dollars kickback from ATT if ATT doesn’t sell Apple gets nothing, so I can’t imagine that Apple is going to put fate of iPhone in ATT’s hand and depend on ATT ability to sell you overpriced monthly plans.
On the other hand people in enterprise will probably love IPhone and who wouldn’t when you company pays a bills.

With 6 million units sold and only about 4 mill on authorized networks I don’t think they have a chance of reaching there goal.
A lot of us have purchased more than one unit I personally purchased 4 units
one active others not. Nice thing about IPhone It can be used with out service lot more than any other phone “Fancy IPod”
with Wi-Fi email , browser and iPod in small unit and with 1000 min T- Mobil prepaid its perfect solution for a student or someone with tight budget.
So I think that Apple is going to be more concern about there revenue than ATT’s
There is were unsubsidized phones are going to make up big

ATT will have to fight this with Verizon, Sprint and T Mobil in order to sell IPhone. Like I sad with bill in low $90 “smart” shoppers are going to opt for unlimited plans rather than 450 minutes on ATT with 200 SMS.

On one other note I would not commit to ATT 2 year agreement with out IPhone insurance since I dropped my 16GB on the pavement couple months ago.
That’s why I have tree more 
I think I am going to wait …

[LiTos]

none of that is going to help most of us, since we need it to be on carriers other than AT&T. 'nuff said.

[xcesivemastub8ah]

none of that is going to help most of us, since we need it to be on carriers other than AT&T. 'nuff said.

we get it. you're a minor who doesnt have his own phone line. "most of us" are NOT in your position.
dude i'll only say this once: you dont "NEED" to have another carrier for the iphone. if you want it that bad what you "need" to do is get a job and get your own things instead of mooching off of daddy. if you're not old enough to get a job then you dont "need" expensive toys either. what you "NEED" is for your 'rents to start teaching you the value of things by NOT buying you everything you want.



and for all the "we want to be able to use it on t-mobile" crowd: t-zone hack aside, prices on t-mo and ATT are damn near identical. i've had att for about 4 years now (after running from verizon's crippled phone and service and sprints all around shitty-ness and t-mos "your call better not be THAT important because we're about to drop it" network) and have only had to suffer through the complete analclusterfuck and utter shittiness that is their CS and company attitude maybe twice. at the most. i can only remember once. because their actual coverage is actually pretty good. maybe you DO live in an area that doesnt get ATT coverage. sorry to hear that. it must be hard growing up in the middle of nowhere. but if you do get it but you just prefer good CS over good coverage and dangit! youre not gonna change now, well then, good for you. but dont go around demanding things, either. if you already own a first gen unlocked iphone then the only thing you get out of the new one is gps. save yourself the money and buy a $100 tom tom gps instead. or better yet. learn how to read a map for free.

just do the mods and everyone else a favor and stop starting all these "we want it on t-mobile USA" threads

[LiTos]

we get it. you're a minor who doesnt have his own phone line. "most of us" are NOT in your position.
dude i'll only say this once: you dont "NEED" to have another carrier for the iphone. if you want it that bad what you "need" to do is get a job and get your own things instead of mooching off of daddy. if you're not old enough to get a job then you dont "need" expensive toys either. what you "NEED" is for your 'rents to start teaching you the value of things by NOT buying you everything you want.

i NEED expensive toys.
i AM looking for a job just for the iPhone.
i am NOT able to get money off of my daddy.
i am also NOT the only one who wants to run it on another carrier.
i DID say "it wont help MOST of us, i never said ALL of us".
Cheese.

[allanofcalifornia]

and for all the "we want to be able to use it on t-mobile" crowd: t-zone hack aside, prices on t-mo and ATT are damn near identical.

I am paying $54 per month less with T-Mobile for our family plan with 2 iPhones. It will be $74 per month less with the new 3G iPhones. Also, T-Mobile has excellent service in my area. Why in the world would someone want to spend more money for the same service or services they won't use.

ATT is a bigger company and just charges more money.


Allan

[xcesivemastub8ah]

I am paying $54 per month less with T-Mobile for our family plan with 2 iPhones. It will be $74 per month less with the new 3G iPhones. Also, T-Mobile has excellent service in my area. Why in the world would someone want to spend more money for the same service or services they won't use.

ATT is a bigger company and just charges more money.


Allan

We already went through the price comparisons on another of these 3g iPhone threads. No need to post them on here again. Like I said "tzone hacks aside", the plans and rates are the same. (at the same prices you get a few minutes more a month with t-mo but att gives you rollover)So you arent paying more money for the same services. At the most, you were only saving yourself the $20(x2)data plan. (which technically is the same for t-mos unlimited data plan.) But AT&T stopped making having that plan mandatory after only 2months. There goes your "paying for services you dont use" arguement out the window as well. Consider yourself lucky to get good reception. The reason tmo has great CS is because they use it so much they got it down to a science. Perfected it. Their whole outdated network generally has problems.

[allanofcalifornia]

We already went through the price comparisons on another of these 3g iPhone threads. No need to post them on here again. Like I said "tzone hacks aside", the plans and rates are the same. So you arent paying more money for the same services. At the most, you were only saving yourself the $20(x2)data plan. (which technically is the same for t-mos unlimited data plan.) But AT&T stopped making having that plan mandatory after only 2months. There goes your "paying for services you dont use" arguement out the window as well. Consider yourself lucky to get good reception. The reason tmo has great CS is because they use it so much they got it down to a science. Perfected it. Their whole outdated network generally has problems.

You are right, that there is not a big difference for a single iPhone plan with T-Mobile and ATT if both have data plans but there is a difference when you add other variables.

Family plan with 700 minutes from T-Mobile = $59.99
Family plan with 700 minutes from ATT = $69.99
(you can argue that you get more from ATT with the family basic plan but I don't care about any addition services)

Unlimited messaging on family plan from T-Mobile = $20
Unlimited messaging on family plan from ATT = $30

ATT does charge more. All these additional charges do add up. My son has an iPhone and he doesn't need a data plan, he only uses the WIFI. Why should I have to pay for a data plan that he won't use. ATT might seem similar but T-Mobile is cheaper and is more flexible to allow the customer to choose and pay for only the services that they need.


Allan

[LiTos]

thank you!

[arcenik]

tmobile has mms also
att gotta pay IF they let you

[bobbylight]

We already went through the price comparisons on another of these 3g iPhone threads. No need to post them on here again. Like I said "tzone hacks aside", the plans and rates are the same. (at the same prices you get a few minutes more a month with t-mo but att gives you rollover)So you arent paying more money for the same services. At the most, you were only saving yourself the $20(x2)data plan. (which technically is the same for t-mos unlimited data plan.) But AT&T stopped making having that plan mandatory after only 2months. There goes your "paying for services you dont use" arguement out the window as well. Consider yourself lucky to get good reception. The reason tmo has great CS is because they use it so much they got it down to a science. Perfected it. Their whole outdated network generally has problems.


I would have to agree that ATT has a newer, more updated and possibly more reliable network. Especially in terms of data, ATT is superior, and with the hassle of possible warranty claims, visiual voicemail, and the impending 3g iPhone requiring a compatible network I decided to stay with ATT but on gophone for now because I didn't want to be locked in if I didn't like their service.

I would have to disagree though that they are equal in value. With ATT you get significantly less voice minutes for more money and texting and MMS are more expensive.

Tmobile runs a bi-monthly promotion where you can get 1000 anytime and unlimited night and weekend minutes for 39.99 - whereas ATT you only get 450 for that price and you would have to rollover an exorbidant amount of minutes to even come close, and remember - rollover minutes expire anually.

Also, tmobile charges $5 less (14.99 vs 19.99) for unlimited texting.

I would say that tmobile is a better dollar value, but there are many ways to define value (quality of service, network reliability, data features, etc) and with all of these combined I chose ATT but it really comes down to a matter of personal preference in the end.

[ako0o_ba]

Thats the reason i move to TMOBILE, Its more cheaper than AT&T. But i have to admit it, AT&T have way more better service than tmobile.

[sidechain]

[QUOTE=allanofcalifornia;305427 My son has an iPhone and he doesn't need a data plan, he only uses the WIFI. Why should I have to pay for a data plan that he won't use. ATT might seem similar but T-Mobile is cheaper and is more flexible to allow the customer to choose and pay for only the services that they need.


Allan[/QUOTE]

I gave up my Data Plan after a couple of months I did not need it WiFi was good enough
Plus Edge was painfull

[jawnsixteen]

Have you ever used myfaves? It's the greatest thing in cell phone plan history. I never worry about mintues, and that's why I want it on tmobile

[klipseracer]

I don't think its so much the price, I think its the fact that people already have commitments with T-Mobile. And noone likes getting into too many commitments. Especially with someone known for being a huge company that takes advantage of its customers. T-Mobile has more of a Google essence with it. ATT= A$$ = More like Microsoft vibe.

[Endorphin687]

Ok so i've been lurking here on he hackintosh forums for about a year now and this topic finally gave me the urge to register :eek:

I honestly don't see how people can argue that T-Mobile and AT&T cost about the same price. And FYI I have a job, bought my own iPhone, pay for my service, AND have two close relatives that work for T-Mobile. First off, when you unlock a 3G iPhone (if and when) whatever provider you've got isn't going to FORCE you to pay for a data plan, talk plan, etc. I'll also include PAYG because it's not a problem if your phone's unlocked, but AT&T wont allow it. and MMS? getting MMS with App store/2.0 aside, Swirly works with most carriers EXCEPT AT&T... from what i've heard they're starting to block it. how about T-Mobile's $99 unlimited plan? and the fact that some people, like me, have excellent T-Mo coverage where I live? Face it, AT&T IS more expensive, and is more restrictive than going the unlocking route.... just my 2 cents :D

[cecilalb]

There are as many reasons for wanting to use T-mobile on an iphone as there are people that want to.

My personal reason is that my family of five is locked into T-mobile for another year and I wanted an iphone!

However, that's not the point. This is the open source community.

The ONLY "reason" that's necessary is: "Because I want to"