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miracleman
06-10-2008, 02:21 AM
Apple and AT&T drop revenue sharing, boost data plan costs

By now you know the bullet points: the new 3G iPhone is smaller, cheaper, and faster than its predecessor. But at what cost? While we know what Apple has told us, it appears that AT&T is having its own say about the iPhone 3G and what it means for the future of the carrier's relationship with Apple.

As with the original iPhone, you'll have to sign up for a 2-year contract in order to grab an iPhone. The iPhone 3G will have slightly higher data plan prices than the original model: individual users will now pay $30/month for unlimited data, and business users will have to fork over $45/month.

But there are also a pair of interesting behind-the-scenes developments in the Apple/AT&T relationship. According to the wireless provider's press release, the two companies have ditched their revenue sharing arrangement: no longer will Apple get a cut of the monthly subscription fee that customers pay to AT&T.

And in order to lower the price on the new iPhones to $199 and $299, it appears that AT&T has subsidized a portion of the handset's cost. From their press release:

In the near term, AT&T anticipates that the new agreement will likely result in some pressure on margins and earnings, reflecting the costs of subsidized device pricing, which, in turn, is expected to drive increased subscriber volumes. [emphasis added]

To translate for us mere mortals: they're artificially lowering the cost of the iPhone so they can sell more, and hence make up for the difference in cost. This does raise some questions, however: for example, it suggests that the price is subsidized in all 70 countries in which the iPhone is going to be on sale, since Steve Jobs said that the price would be a "maximum of $199" globally.

It also raises a question about the future of unlocking the iPhone to use on other networks. In the past, unlocking has not hurt Apple, since they still reaped the full price of the iPhone's sale. And since unlocked iPhones have typically been used in countries where the actual iPhone was unavailable, it didn't translate directly into lost sales for AT&T either. However, if AT&T is subsidizing a slice of the iPhone's cost, and people continue to unlock the iPhone to use on other providers, then AT&T will essentially be kissing their subsidies goodbye.

My guess? They're probably counting on the fact that the much broader release of the iPhone internationally will stem the tides of those unlocking their phones, and thus not feed back into lost money for AT&T. Will it pay off? We'll find out later this year.

Source: http://www.macworld.com/article/133841/2008/06/att_dataplan.html

DarkLord7854
06-10-2008, 02:32 AM
As soon as it's unlocked, I'll be buying one and happily using it on T-Mobile. I don't like AT&T :p

wlp5
06-10-2008, 02:35 AM
Well by what I've read on gizmodo and engadget it seems that you won't be able to buy it without a contract. They say that you'd need to activate it in store and even online you 'd need to sign up for a contract. I think AT&T is responsible for getting the price at 199 but I bet they won't make it easy to get one and unlock it.

I also bet that Apple will stop trying to keep it locked as there is no point if you can't get without a contract.

jumphopspin
06-10-2008, 02:36 AM
As soon as it's unlocked, I'll be buying one and happily using it on T-Mobile. I don't like AT&T :p

maybe you should read up some more before having that kind of attitude. you can no longer purchase the iphone by itself without a contract from apple and at&t stores.

Former Bender
06-10-2008, 02:47 AM
you can no longer purchase the iphone by itself without a contract from apple and at&t stores.

Are you sure about that ?

In the US it seems that it will still be sold without signing an at&t plan at the store.

Requires new 2-year AT&T rate plan, sold separately. (http://www.apple.com/iphone/gallery/ads/hallway/large.html)

jumphopspin
06-10-2008, 02:50 AM
Are you sure about that ?

In the US it seems that it will still be sold without signing an at&t plan at the store.

yes, i'm pretty sure. at&t spokespeople have already stated that you can't buy one without activating at the apple or at&t stores.

DarkLord7854
06-10-2008, 02:58 AM
yes, i'm pretty sure. at&t spokespeople have already stated that you can't buy one without activating at the apple or at&t stores.

S'alright, I can get it from elsewhere

MikeMiranda
06-10-2008, 03:09 AM
so if you don't activate it you'll pay more ?

jumphopspin
06-10-2008, 03:22 AM
so if you don't activate it you'll pay more ?

there's no no-contract option.. they only offer a subsidized price.

MikeMiranda
06-10-2008, 03:27 AM
there's no no-contract option.. they only offer a subsidized price.

guess I won't be gettin one at all then...

DarkLord7854
06-10-2008, 03:56 AM
Well, time will tell :p

miracleman
06-10-2008, 05:54 AM
i'm in australia, so, i'll try my luck here.

aranmor
06-10-2008, 06:12 AM
At launch it will be available only at ATT and apple store getting a contract, no exceptions... but eventually it will be sold online through apple online store, so... no worries.

DarkLord7854
06-10-2008, 06:21 AM
At launch it will be available only at ATT and apple store getting a contract, no exceptions... but eventually it will be sold online through apple online store, so... no worries.


Where'd you get this info? O.o

Chrysaor
06-10-2008, 07:28 AM
If you look at the online store, it says only available through retail Apple/ATT stores. I don't think they are going to sell online. They might sell online in the future, but it will most likely have an increased price due to subsidy.

shep
06-10-2008, 08:01 AM
Looks as though vodafone will be selling the 3G iphone in Australia with NO contract. Have a look at http://www.news.com.au/comments/0,23600,23839650-2,00.html

libertybenz2
06-10-2008, 08:14 AM
Is the trade-in rumor real ? Does anyone know or have that confirmed?? o wait, i have t-mobile..... womp womp :P

anyway, the price drop from 500 to 200 is both completely good/bad. Good in that, well an iphone for 200, who can beat that? They'll be selling out again...

Bad in that I feel like a complete fool buying it for 500.. does anyone agree? Sure, I expected maybe 300 or possibly more since its better... 200 ?! ok Steve / Apple must be on drugs lol peace

Benz

goodluck4287
06-10-2008, 09:01 PM
S'alright, I can get it from elsewhere

Where exactly did you have in mind? Eurotrip?

DarkLord7854
06-11-2008, 12:43 AM
Where exactly did you have in mind? Eurotrip?


All my family is in France, wouldn't be too hard to dial one of my cousin's or one of my uncle's who works for T-Mobile and send me one unlocked

eafaq
06-11-2008, 03:14 AM
I call a local Apple store yesterday, the guy at the other end of the line told me they won't make anyone to activate the phone there.

I will call a few other store just to confirm that...

romenator
06-11-2008, 03:18 AM
I call a local Apple store yesterday, the guy at the other end of the line told me they won't make anyone to activate the phone there.

I will call a few other store just to confirm that...
They might say that now to get people through the door, then what if they say; sorry made a mistake, you have to sign a contract?

That would piss anyone off, especially those that travelled for miles!

thecompkid
06-11-2008, 03:30 AM
At first I thought this would blow over too, but that $200 price point is obviously heavily subsidized and I don't think that AT&T is going to be so quick to loosen their grip. It's not like the new business model is unheard of, it's just that the iPhone is becoming one of those mainstream phones with a new mainstream activation process and a new mainstream semi-cheap price.

What I do have a problem with, however, is the rather deceitful method that AT&T is using to recoup costs. The $400 iphone with $20/month data is cheaper after 24 months than the $200 iphone with $30/month data.