[Advice] New bootloader on phones produced after 9th June?

[pogramci]

hi.anyone knows anything about this?and new bootloader means that unlocking community have to find new exploits on it,right?i wonder that 2nd generation iphones will be unlockable or not?any ideas ?

[shadman248]

some rumors r saying that apple will sell 3g unlocked iphone
and what i think is if the they r not selling it unlocked then there will be a new bootloader
now remember abt 4.6 bootloader how long it took to find the exploits
so i think the great dev team will find some way to unlock it but we dont know how long will it take//////

[me.]

If you had bothered to check one of a FEW threads in this section before speculating away on new BL you would've seen it discussed in another thread...

[secretmrx]

everything is hackable, it just takes time. We are yet to find some kind of OS that is 100% closed and unhackable.


OTB 2.0 iPhones (the 3G ones) will have a new 5.x bootloader. this is to protect mobile companies from selling iPhones cheaper than another carrier selling iPhone, so that people can't buy them from another carrier during a sale, and then use it on another iPhone carrier. iPhone is no longer carrier exclusive, so I don't think the motivation is to keep it to one carrier in each country, more to protect the individual carriers in each country from being ripped off
It will be jailbreakable. Pwnage will not work any more as they will fix the appleimage2noraccess exploit. But there will be another way. Perhaps, dare I say it, Zibris rumoured jailbreaking tool for 2.0 might work. (which won't come out until the official release of 2.0, this might be because hes waiting for an idea to steal or hes just protecting it so he's the only person who can jailbreak an OTB 2.0 iPhone as pwnage will be dead) I guess he might want to get back on top like he was for a few weeks when he introduced ZiPhone
It will be unlockable, it will take a bloody long time though. But remember, we have (an especially gray, geohot, musclenerd and whole dev team) a much better knowledge of iPhone and how it works than a few months ago. So it might not take as long. But it might take longer. Who knows. Geohot actually developed a software unlock for the 4.6BL in 24hrs after setting his mind to it (he was pissed off at something at the time lol)


All we need to do is wait and see what happens

[nazrm]

everything is hackable, it just takes time. We are yet to find some kind of OS that is 100% closed and unhackable.


OTB 2.0 iPhones (the 3G ones) will have a new 5.x bootloader. this is to protect mobile companies from selling iPhones cheaper than another carrier selling iPhone, so that people can't buy them from another carrier during a sale, and then use it on another iPhone carrier. iPhone is no longer carrier exclusive, so I don't think the motivation is to keep it to one carrier in each country, more to protect the individual carriers in each country from being ripped off
It will be jailbreakable. Pwnage will not work any more as they will fix the appleimage2noraccess exploit. But there will be another way. Perhaps, dare I say it, Zibris rumoured jailbreaking tool for 2.0 might work. (which won't come out until the official release of 2.0, this might be because hes waiting for an idea to steal or hes just protecting it so he's the only person who can jailbreak an OTB 2.0 iPhone as pwnage will be dead) I guess he might want to get back on top like he was for a few weeks when he introduced ZiPhone
It will be unlockable, it will take a bloody long time though. But remember, we have (an especially gray, geohot, musclenerd and whole dev team) a much better knowledge of iPhone and how it works than a few months ago. So it might not take as long. But it might take longer. Who knows. Geohot actually developed a software unlock for the 4.6BL in 24hrs after setting his mind to it (he was pissed off at something at the time lol)


All we need to do is wait and see what happens

You write this as if it is a fact, when it is just your thoughts/speculations.

In my opinion, you can ask as many questions about the next-gen iphone as you like, but no-one will be able to give you an answer, because it is not fucking released yet.

Sigh.

[Former Bender]

...no-one will be able to give you an answer...

Call steve, he knows for sure :D

[me.]

Nice summary, secretmrx! And speaking of being ripped off - take O2's promotion when they were selling unlockable phones for 169 pounds, roughly $340... They never got to make up for $200 (100 pounds) they slashed off the MSRP they were hoping to get back thru rate plans on a hell of a lot of iphones, but on the other hand they cleaned up inventories before the 3G pretty quick... Anyway..., yeah, I also think we'll see a new BL and probably factory-unlocked phones next month... And fingers crossed the rumor about the 3G coming up with no GPS module proves untrue (posted a link in the GPS thread)...

[secretmrx]

You write this as if it is a fact, when it is just your thoughts/speculations.

In my opinion, you can ask as many questions about the next-gen iphone as you like, but no-one will be able to give you an answer, because it is not fucking released yet.

Sigh.

It is fact that there will be a new BL. There is a whole new SGOLD in the 3G iPhone. It is in the latest beta

@me. cheers :D

[ArB]

everything is hackable, it just takes time. We are yet to find some kind of OS that is 100% closed and unhackable.


OTB 2.0 iPhones (the 3G ones) will have a new 5.x bootloader. this is to protect mobile companies from selling iPhones cheaper than another carrier selling iPhone, so that people can't buy them from another carrier during a sale, and then use it on another iPhone carrier. iPhone is no longer carrier exclusive, so I don't think the motivation is to keep it to one carrier in each country, more to protect the individual carriers in each country from being ripped off


It will be jailbreakable. Pwnage will not work any more as they will fix the appleimage2noraccess exploit. But there will be another way. Perhaps, dare I say it, Zibris rumoured jailbreaking tool for 2.0 might work. (which won't come out until the official release of 2.0, this might be because hes waiting for an idea to steal or hes just protecting it so he's the only person who can jailbreak an OTB 2.0 iPhone as pwnage will be dead) I guess he might want to get back on top like he was for a few weeks when he introduced ZiPhone
It will be unlockable, it will take a bloody long time though. But remember, we have (an especially gray, geohot, musclenerd and whole dev team) a much better knowledge of iPhone and how it works than a few months ago. So it might not take as long. But it might take longer. Who knows. Geohot actually developed a software unlock for the 4.6BL in 24hrs after setting his mind to it (he was pissed off at something at the time lol)


All we need to do is wait and see what happens

i know this is a bit offtopic, sorry about that
Nice list but still questions remain, for example will the "old" models also get a new bootloader ? (forced)
Will pwnage still work on the older models you think ? (that is if the bootloader isn't upgraded)

[dtube]

I don't think old models will get a new BB bootloader via fw upgrade from Apple. It's a risky process.

If you go from 1.1.4 to 2.0, then yes, the OS bootloader will change.

Will pwnage work on older model if bootloader is not upgraded ? - yes, this means you did not go to 2.0

Remember, there are 2 bootloaders on the iphone. pwnage deals with OS bootloader and not BB bootloader.

[ArB]

ok now i am a bit confused. :D

My current BB Bootloader is 3.9 correct ? (i have a 1.0.2 model)
So what's the version of the OS bootloader then ?

And if a update comes out of pwnage it will support 2.0 i read in several threats ??

[dtube]

yeah ... I don't blame you. it's a confusing thing :D.
your 1.0.2 model has a 3.9BL for the baseband/modem (s-gold chip)
The OS bootloader (for the application processor s5l8900 chip) does not have a version but it is there with each firmware revision.
Think of it this way (for simplicity stake), say you have windows machine, the OS bootloader is there but you don't refer to to the version; people refer to the windows version.

Once 2.0 is released, hopefully a new Pwnage version will be released shortly there after to support the new OS version. I don't have a definite yes/no answer to that.

[thecompkid]

It is extremely unlikely that Apple will be upgrading any bootloaders (baseband or OS) because, as was said before, its very risky. So pwnage will continue to work with all first gen iphones, only minor updates will be needed to compensate for the OS updates.

There is a nearly 100% chance that the new iphone will have both bootloaders updated OTB, so our beloved pwnage is sadly going to go the way of the dodo, as is any SW unlock method.

Its really nothing to worry about though, as we have yet to encounter anything that the community hasn't eventually got around and Apple's obviously been trying pretty hard, so I can't imagine that they're going to become the first company with an unhackable product. :)

Zibri, BTW, is lying out of his ass. He'll do anything to get the donations rolling.

[Doktaphex]

take O2's promotion when they were selling unlockable phones for 169 pounds, roughly $340... They never got to make up for $200 (100 pounds) they slashed off the MSRP they were hoping to get back thru rate plans on a hell of a lot of iphones,

Erm, you could only get this price if you signed up to a 2 year plan there and then.

[me.]

Erm, you could only get this price if you signed up to a 2 year plan there and then.
Well, then perhaps it was carphone warehouse that let phone buyers leave untethered... I don't know for sure which one that was, but I know of people buying the phone without signing anything.. That's why I was suprised....

[Number_41]

On a side note, you may say its risky but remember, they new 2.0 iphone is being (mostly) rebuilt.

When I say that I say it as its not like youre sending in your current iphone then 2 weeks later, viola! you get a 1.0 iphone with gps, and 3g. Most of the architecture will change, yes including the new S-Gold. Therefore, I do find it highly likely that there will be a new bootloader to support the 3g access and GPS ( and whatever else they are trying http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/26/solar-lcd-powered-ipods-iphones-and-laptops/ )


Now the question is where the heck does he get 5.3 from?

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=42283

N41

[)law(]

On a side note, you may say its risky but remember, they new 2.0 iphone is being (mostly) rebuilt.

When I say that I say it as its not like youre sending in your current iphone then 2 weeks later, viola! you get a 1.0 iphone with gps, and 3g. Most of the architecture will change, yes including the new S-Gold. Therefore, I do find it highly likely that there will be a new bootloader to support the 3g access and GPS ( and whatever else they are trying http://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/26/solar-lcd-powered-ipods-iphones-and-laptops/ )


Now the question is where the heck does he get 5.3 from?

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=42283

N41

I belive its called smoking 'wet'........

[me.]

I belive its called smoking 'wet'........
More like sherm... I believe "wet" can only take you to the magic world of basebands... Bootloaders need something stronger ;)

[bluerockuk1]

I think this is all academic

From a source at o2 UK

Before the iphones were sold at point and the customer took them home to activate via itunes (or not)

This process allowed the end user to use the phone on any carrier without signing a mobile contract with the exclusive carrier

The new process that may have been agreed with Apple

Users buys the handset and the sim is activated in store and the user signs the mobile agreement, locking them into a 18 month contract

The user takes the handset home and then activates the handset via itunes in the normal way

This process will protect the carrier from "lost" connections hence the reason for the speculated £100 price in the UK.

If this process is rolled out then the iphone will not need to be locked to any carrier because its all be protected at source and unlike other mobile makers Apple will not sell them without a carrier contract

This will then remove the need for Ziphone and Pwnage

End of iphone unlocking on the mass

[Former Bender]

End of iphone unlocking on the mass

I'd rather say "End of iPhone sales to the mass". :D
Nobody is gonna pay a product and get forced to use a Carrier. :rolleyes:

Apple will shoot their own foot, if they really do so.

[me.]

I'd rather say "End of iPhone sales to the mass". :D
Nobody is gonna pay a product and get forced to use a Carrier. :rolleyes:
Apple will shoot their own foot, if they really do so.
Doesn't "nobody's gonna pay and be tied to one carrier" kinda go against what we've seen at Apple stores on June 29, 2007 with people lining up to pay $599 AND be forced to use AT&T??? I don't think they were hoping for unlock in times when "unlocking your iphone" sounded like "having a few drinks with your alien buddies"...

[bluerockuk1]

I'd rather say "End of iPhone sales to the mass". :D
Nobody is gonna pay a product and get forced to use a Carrier. :rolleyes:

Apple will shoot their own foot, if they really do so.

I would agree, but mobile carriers make money from the airtime contract and not much to substain them from handset sales

There was neally 500,000 iphones sold across Europe but only about half of them were ever connected meaning a loss for the carriers

All other carriers in Europe lock the hansets and activate in store to avoid this problem. So why not with the iphone? Maybe Apple plan to ship unlocked versions for a premium like they did in Germany

The carriers are not happy about the lack of protection for them and this is apples route to market for this product.

Sounds like a good bet

[Former Bender]

Doesn't "nobody's gonna pay and be tied to one carrier" kinda go against what we've seen at Apple stores on June 29, 2007 with people lining up to pay $599 AND be forced to use AT&T??? I don't think they were hoping for unlock in times when "unlocking your iphone" sounded like "having a few drinks with your alien buddies"...

This was the first time, a pilot, a big buzz that lasted for several years. ;)

Today it is different, they know the iPhone is unlockable and the 2nd Gen will certainly be as well.
If it's not, they will stick with a 1st Gen until someone find a way to unlock it or "more Unlikely" if Apple decides to sell it unlocked but more expensive as they did in Europe. :)

[trapper]

I think this is all academic

From a source at o2 UK

Before the iphones were sold at point and the customer took them home to activate via itunes (or not)

This process allowed the end user to use the phone on any carrier without signing a mobile contract with the exclusive carrier

The new process that may have been agreed with Apple

Users buys the handset and the sim is activated in store and the user signs the mobile agreement, locking them into a 18 month contract

The user takes the handset home and then activates the handset via itunes in the normal way

This process will protect the carrier from "lost" connections hence the reason for the speculated £100 price in the UK.

If this process is rolled out then the iphone will not need to be locked to any carrier because its all be protected at source and unlike other mobile makers Apple will not sell them without a carrier contract

This will then remove the need for Ziphone and Pwnage

End of iphone unlocking on the mass
I have been expecting this since the first time I though about it – I mean they would be absolute fools to let the same thing happen again. (unless intentional of course…)

But even though unlock might become kind of pointless on iPhone 2.0 - Jailbreak will live on forever!!! :D

[trapper]

Btw, to all those trying to sell up on ebay before the launch date - if this happens it could actually lead to an Increase in our current phones resale value.

As they will be the only unlocked iPhones available ;)

[me.]

Btw, to all those trying to sell up on ebay before the launch date - if this happens it could actually lead to an Increase in our current phones resale value. As they will be the only unlocked iPhones available ;)
Reminds me of the stock market... :) I'm thinking should I go long a couple more iphones version 1 as they will go up if things get ugly with the new model or should I sell mine while it's still hot??

[ChronicProductions]

All we know is that it is version 6.0, there is nothing else known at the time.