Why have MODS taken ZiPhone stickies down???

[yogi799]

Why the fuck have the admins of this forum taken all the ZiPhone stickies down? Are you guys fucking nuts???? Just because some assholes here heavily promote iPlus and its reversible 3.9, does that mean you're cutting out a guy that was THE ONE to create a first all-inclusive soft for unlocking, YES using the technology of others, AND YES - giving EVERYONE their credit on the ZiPhone info page. What the hell is wrong with you guys? You gave into the pressure of those iPlus lovers, some of them who fucked their phones using that unreliable soft. Shame on you. Be fair and leave stickies for both utilities. Zibri never claimed he broke the locks! Are you nuts or is your memory short - in fact Zibri was the one who pushed and challenged geohot to unlock 1.1.2 OTB when geo himself said "it is impossible" back in Jan. '08. Zibri then said - IT IS POSSIBLE and soon after geohot reversed his words by unlocking the damn thing. A lot of people faked and pretended to be Zibri on geohot's blog flaming and cursing at geohot trying to provoke a fight. Later, it turned out Zibri was not the one writing all that shit! Someone faked his nick name. Zibri gave huge hats off to geohot on his blog when geo unlocked 1.1.2.

DID YOU MISS ALL THAT??? He never said it is his technology, dudes!!! Even geo admits and ZiPhone is a wrapper for bunch of hack! And let it be that way. TONS of people used it and are happy. It is their choice to downgrade to 3.9 one way, sure perhaps it could be stated more clearly on ZiPhone's front, but nothing can be perfect. Leave the guy alone and put him back on the sticky. Instead you pasted some shit-blog about him.

THIS FORUM FUCKING SUCKS. At least people running it. So much for freedom of choice. From now one, my fellow users - the admins made a choice to never inform you of ZiPhone ever more. You must use iPlus so the mods are happy. Stupid shitholes....

And yes, promote freedom of speech, block my account, wipe out this thread...

OR...???

[razor]

Dude,

next you'll say why were the anySIM stickies taken down...

Z was asked to add the 3.9FB to his Ziphone, but there was no response...

u decide...

[Former Bender]

OR...???

Go and get cured from your paranoid and impolite attitude. :mad:

Next time if you have a complain/request/suggestion, PM the moderators directly.

[Former Bender]

And yes, promote freedom of speech, block my account, wipe out this thread...

And oh Yeah, this thread will remain to show the members you won the "worst post ever" contest.

Congratulations.

[yogi799]

It's not paranoia, it's being pissed, is all...

"u decide"...??? EXACTLY - let's then see ALL choices, not the ones made for you by the mods.

Why PM them directly, to be ignored? It's for everyone to see. I can only apologize for the language if anyone gets offended, but then content stays.

[Former Bender]

You are pissed about an unstuck thread fine.

Now go an complain to Zibri about his freedom of speech in his blog/comments section and IRC channel :D

[)law(]

come guys calm down let's not argue over a few posts I think that what he is tryng to ask is why did the zibri sticks get taken down and he got mad over that's all. He may have said it wrong but I think he wants a explanation is all

[iiooiioo]

Ziphone is stolen code, bottom line. Yes, this is an open source community, but there's a definate line between 'open' and 'stolen.' zibri was impatient and selfish and released the dev's work without them knowing. They run this forum and I know I would do the same if that happened to me. Also, this isn't a free speech open forum, the mods are in charge and if you dont like how they run things leave and make your own forum. I respect the decision and think iplus is a great, honest solution.

[yogi799]

Well, someone has to defend a guy who did a shitload of good work (maybe not perfect) and was first delivering it in that shape and now is being ridiculed by some. I know he was not the one to come up with the unlock, but he still did some great work! Thousands have used his work and are thankful (to everyone who contibuted). Prove me wrong on these statements and I rest my case.

I stand up for him, regardless of the shit that has been said of him.

[Former Bender]

Zibri, i order your to get out from this body ! :D

[)law(]

Well, someone has to defend a guy who did a shitload of good work (maybe not perfect) and was first delivering it in that shape and now is being ridiculed by some. I know he was not the one to come up with the unlock, but he still did some great work! Thousands have used his work and are thankful (to everyone who contibuted). Prove me wrong on these statements and I rest my case.

I stand up for him, regardless of the shit that has been said of him.

you have a right to, but some times you have to prepare a polite argument or eles its going to come off wrong trust me its all about tact and politeness

[yogi799]

I just saw this... What the hell is your guys' agenda? Apparently the community does not quite agree with you. THANK YOU!!!

Poll Results: Should anything to do with Zibri be removed from hackingt0sh ?
(This poll will close on 03-17-2008 at 07:34 PM)
Yes 17 - 26.98%
No 46 - 73.02%

[yogi799]

you have a right to, but some times you have to prepare a polite argument or eles its going to come off wrong trust me its all about tact and politeness

Agreed...

Read my previous message... Can you believe it???

I am beginning to think guys running this place start acting like some media tycoons.... Eliminating what is not too comfortable for them. We have CNN for that guys. This forum is not for YOU, just because you own it, it's for people and their iPhones. Unless it used to be that way. Now it's iPlus forum.

Basically this thread speaks for itself:
http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=33635


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[)law(]

He does kinda have a point both methods should be given a fair chance but there user should be warned besides iplus has its own mistakes and pitfalls look at 3.8. All in all niether are perfect but both are useful to some in thier own way....

[iiooiioo]

Agreed...

Read my previous message... Can you believe it???

I am beginning to think guys running this place start acting like some media tycoons.... Eliminating what is not too comfortable for them. We have CNN for that guys. This forum is not for YOU, just because you own it, it's for people and their iPhones. Unless it used to be that way. Now it's iPlus forum.

Basically this thread speaks for itself:
http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=33635


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Is the guy who started that thread a mod? You are contradicting yourself by saying he can't voice his opinion... And you say that this isn't their forum? Um.. yes it is... like I said before, if you don't like how they run things, either PM them then leave, or just leave. I think its really disrespectful to keep this going by complaining and bringing up unbacked examples. Stop making this more than it is, Zibri isn't respected by the MODS because they stole their work and profited from it. There is a solution out that is equal\better than his, so they are going to rep it instead. End of discussion. Take your political outcries elsewhere.

[iphoniak]

hey guys:
Just a few comments on some of the above exchanges. I am a businessman who a while ago knew absolutely nothing about hacking, unlocking, etc. Through this forum I have learned a lot about the iphone and many other things and consider myself "kinda" knowledgeable of what is going on. This has been possible by the great people on this forum who are always ready to help, explain, and guide. Despite differences between the moderators of this forum and Zibri, I think this forum should be a forum for all.... Give people like me and others the education to know the difference between the two methods (iPlus and Ziphone) and let them choose! Isn't what it's all about? Freedom of choice? Educate people on the pros and cons of both methods and let them decide for themselves. This forum has been great for helping and guiding people who love the iphone(I being one of them), so lets keep it a place of teaching and learning in a healthy environment full of tolerance for each other and our differences.

Many thanks for teaching me so much.

[fallenczar]

here is a suggestion for XianLi, who i think is a very sensible man.
My personal Experience with iPlus (2.0b) indicate that it is not yet ready for Prime-Time.
Maybe there could be a sticky thread about the latest Ziphone With a Warning that it Downgrades the BL which is not reversible (Till now), Something like there was when the Geohot/Elite Verginizer or Elite AnySim was released.

[Zibri]

Dude,

next you'll say why were the anySIM stickies taken down...

Z was asked to add the 3.9FB to his Ziphone, but there was no response...

u decide...

YES, there was a response: "NO!".

Fakeblank is dangerous.
It allows everyone and everything to flash your bootloader.

3.9 Bootloader in ziphone can be upgraded by apple in a simple way.
And that's the way it should be.

[Former Bender]

Finaly someone is opening his eyes...

They delete my posts.
The change them sometimes.
They hide unconfortable posts.

How nice.

We can tell the very same for you (blog, IRC, comments on your website). ;)

[piranha]

About iPlus, it's simple:
iPlus is a bootlegged ZiPhone without SAFETIES.


About the SPAMMING AT problem:
That's not because of ziphone
but because of people using ziphone on
ipods when ipods were not supported.


Here you have a working and tested solution.
As I thought, ZiPhone works with iPods but
it will need a little adjustment only.


Yes, seems like you have more than enough SAFETIES.

[Number_41]

Yes, seems like you have more than enough SAFETIES.

That says it all

N41

[fallenczar]

YES, there was a response: "NO!".

Fakeblank is dangerous.
It allows everyone and everything to flash your bootloader.


well, atleast this has been proven to be partially right

[)law(]

he did try to warn us to in the un modifed dualboot thread.....

[netkas]

All is so simple, ziphone makes some shit on 4.6 bl phones, so those iphones lost warranty. it's not good. we can't keep sticked such software.

[sam]

*yawn*

Could you please discuss on some celerbrtys tits or olympia in chian instead of such a crap? I guess staff knows what it does, if a hread gets unstuck, thats for a reason, period.

[skr3dii]

Yeah it downgrades the bootloader from 4.6 to 3.9...

I had to use it to downgrade my baseband, and it worked.
Ok, I lost my warranty but at least my iphone is working again :P

[netkas]

skr3dii ,
i want to talk with u abotu smth.

[GeeZuZz]

All is so simple, ziphone makes some shit on 4.6 bl phones, so those iphones lost warranty. it's not good. we can't keep sticked such software.
Haha... are you kidding? What do you call flashing a HACKED bootloader like iPlus does? Keeping warranty? If anything voids warranty it's a hacked bootloader, not an original. Anyway, no matter what you do, warranty is lost. It's just a matter of whether or not Apple finds out what has been done. And they won't in any case.

[Gerry]

Haha... are you kidding? What do you call flashing a HACKED bootloader like iPlus does? Keeping warranty? If anything voids warranty it's a hacked bootloader, not an original. Anyway, no matter what you do, warranty is lost. It's just a matter of whether or not Apple finds out what has been done. And they won't in any case.

I think the point being made is if you need to invoke your warrenty it's a good idea to be able to put the iphone back into the same condition as when you purchased it. I suspect this necessitates returning the bootloader to 4.6 if that was the version on the original iphone. I would not dis for a minute the unpaid work for this community of any of the guys that developed any of the tools but for me it seemed that iplus2.0b was a better solution because of the bootloader situation and btw it worked perfectly and is still working just fine.

[clint999]

You are pissed about an unstuck thread fine.

Now go an complain to Zibri about his freedom of speech in his blog/comments section and IRC channel

[lordofdaflies]

wanted to post this warning some where and this thread seems a good place for the first

Ziphone Warning

“But Ziphone works fine for me? Why should I avoid it?”

I hear this all the time. It’s simple. Ziphone does permanent changes to your phone. Zibri is a terrible coder that stole most the exploits for ZiPhone and did not create them. Zibri admits that he cannot code. Ziphone does work most of the time. But when it does not work, you are most likely left with an unfixable brick. Other jailbreak software such as iLiberty+, Pwnage, will not leave you with a brick. Everything they do can be reverted safely. This means if they fail on you, you just restore and try again. No harm done.

With ziphone, your damage is permanent. It’s a crap shoot. It may work 9 times out of 10, but on that 10th time that it fails out, you can expect to be purchasing a new iPhone. Sounds great right? Indeed, this is so common that the term “ziphoned” actually has meaning (a bricked phone caused by ZiPhone). Check out the google search on the term and see the problems for yourself.

If you have used Ziphone and your phone is currently working, you do not need to do anything. Just don’t use it again. The next time could be fatal. You’ve been warned!

Question:

Could you please elaborate on the permanent changes caused by Ziphone?
All unlocking/jailbreaking methods modify the phone in some way, at least they patch baseband, and pwnage patches bootloader.
I know that Ziphone downgrades the 4.6 bootloader to 3.9 (which has been thought to be permanent until pwnage came out), but so does iLiberty+, iDemocracy and any other unlock method that is not based on pwnage

Answer:

First off, iLiberty+ does not downgrade your bootloader by default. It downgrades you to 3.9 fakeblank which is easily reversible and not dangerous. This is not the same thing as 3.9 used by Ziphone! Ziphone downgrades the bootloader to 3.9 automatically. If this process fails, you’re done. This process considered so risky that Apple does not do any bootloader upgrades in their firmware packages! They could have put a stop to all the unlocks when 1.1.2 came out by having the 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 firmware upgrade upgrade old bootloaders to 4.6 but they considered this too risky and did not do it! Ziphone does it anyway.

Zibri has had so many releases that fix “type-o’s”. That’s just silly. The code is so sloppy and buggy. Some versions will unlock even when you did not ask it to resulting in a downgraded bootloader just on a request to jailbreak! Neat :(

Ziphone is also very dangerous because it does all the flashing (most risky part) during the first phase of the ram disk. During this phase, allocating too much memory can result in ram disk corruption. This is very bad. You want to minimize the amount of memory used as much as possible and you only care about stability. Ziphone doesn’t worry about this. Due to the technique used to boot the ramdisk, the memory is easily corrupted if you try to allocate too much of it. The result is that you are corrupting the very data that you are flashing!

iLiberty+, iPlus both use a smaller ram disk to flash. This minimizes the amount of memory used and takes great care to prevent memory allocations from corrupting the ram disk. Then these tools come back on a second pass to install payloads. This is done after the flashing is done where there is no risk.

As a result, several ziphone users have reported problems with no edge, no wifi, no bluetooth or a combination of the 3. In many cases this is unfixable. Zibri has added a wifi “fix” to his app which works sometimes, but this programs a bogus network address that is the same on every phone.


POSTED BY BIGBOSS on his forum, im not so smart that i could write this myself

[dtube]

The bigboss's blog has been incorporated into this warning sticky thread: http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=36277

[rubikscube2]

Noo
Leave Zibri Aloone Lol
:d