to late on piracy thread, my personal thought!

[lolof]

I am to late on the thread about piracy.
But as many users, wanted to say my opinion.
I agree with mods but at the same time the arguments to close all the thred about "piracy" disapoint me.
The hackintosh forum are well know for the osx on pc.
How many users who has installed osx on pc do you think have buy an osx version ?????
Almost all user download iso made by user from here, give name of iso, etc.....
So, at this point it is "hacking" deserving poeple who have no osx liscence.
Is hacKintosh closed for this ???? Its quite funny.
So some of those thread (wihout providing binary) and sometimes without given at all valid solution, deserve the same cause than osx on pc.
And about this, do you also have forgoten that reverse some prog is also not allow....
Some dev, want that you agre to not reserve them software based themself on reversed prog from apple.
Plus, the thread speaking about installing osx on pc to test the sdk should also be deleted in the same spirit. Mods are pushing some people to dl cracked or hacked (here the border of both are very difficulut to understand) iso to install OSX on the pc. Most user will not buy osx liscence for this use...... It is also illegal somewhere and against your policy. this manip is also not allow I thinks....

Funny.
You can now delete this thread.
Thank you for your effort

[jawnsixteen]

good point

[raulb]

I can see your point and there is I feel a fine line the mods are trying to walk, a very fine line between a hack and outright piracy.

OSX86 is a hack, along with efi, drivers etc to get osx working on generic PCs, it would be piracy if hackint0sh was hosting osx iso for the purpose of installing on macs and avoid paying Apple. Likewise the iphone jailbreak, its a hack to open the device and thwart Apple's misguided marketing strategy. There is a thin line there and I hope its not too thin for some people to discern.

[0ren]

Agreed ! Totaly agreed.

[r00t4rd3d]

Wait till the day when people start selling their apps threw iTunes. Thats when the real pirates will come out and start cracking apps.

[slimnickyy]

I can see your point and there is I feel a fine line the mods are trying to walk, a very fine line between a hack and outright piracy.

OSX86 is a hack, along with efi, drivers etc to get osx working on generic PCs, it would be piracy if hackint0sh was hosting osx iso for the purpose of installing on macs and avoid paying Apple. Likewise the iphone jailbreak, its a hack to open the device and thwart Apple's misguided marketing strategy. There is a thin line there and I hope its not too thin for some people to discern.

It is a hack, but downloading OS X or even sharing a disk and hacking those files to get them to install on unsupported hardware is piracy as you are not licensed to do so and therefore it's illegal. In terms of the iphone, that too is circumventing technologies built in to the software and constitutes a copyright violation as it's not your work to play with and use in an unauthorised manner. You may choose to rationalise it or not care which is my choice, but truth of the matter is it's all equally worrisome in the eyes of the law.

[theviolator]

well...as long as theres not direct links here to any pirated software, but I think they're closing it not only because of direct links (I wonder who complained) guess somebody of the mods is friend with somebody...dont see any other reason if theres no direct links to delete every posting. Cum oon! Hackintosh, right? live up to your name at least ;)

[Samoth]

as far as i know, hacking the iphone is not against law, you lose your warrenty and apple tries everything (or atleast they make at&t think so, cuz the best thing that apple could happen is an unlocked iphone...but thats an other story) to make the unlocks impossible, but as long as you don't host any modified produkts licenced by apple you dont break the law, but honestly i think deleting links to cracked showtime app etc. sux, because without the dev team they werent even able to sell such an app (yet) so they should nicely ask to donate and stfu!!(similir opinion as slimnickyy, but still some differences)
Peace out, greetings from switzerland!!

[DJ McG]

Ok, well first off. If you purchased your PC or iPhone or whatever, then it YOURS to do whatever you want with. You own it and it is your property. So legally you can do whatever you want with it, destroy it, take it apart, hack it, mod it, whatever. That is not illegal. There is nothing illegal involved in jailbreaking an iPhone, reverse engineering an app to crack it could be considered copyright infringement though. The only consequences of jailbreaking your iPhone are from Apple, bricked phone, voided warranty etc. It is against their Terms and EULA.

On the other hand, putting OSX on a PC is ONLY ILLEGAL IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LICENSE. Then it would be copyright infringement and they could possibly sue you for stealing software. But if you have a legit license and install OSX on your PC the only rules you are breaking are the Terms and Conditions and the EULA. Apple cannot do anything to you except for possibly revoke your license or not give you updates.

I hope this has cleared some things up.

Thanks,
DJ McG

[Former Bender]

but honestly i think deleting links to cracked showtime app etc. sux, because without the dev team they werent even able to sell such an app (yet) so they should nicely ask to donate and stfu!!

Don't pretend we should support your point of view of legitimating piracy.

If you think unofficial apps should be free with a donation option, just boycott the one that are not free.

[ChronicProductions]

This isn't about the piracy, but relating to jailbreaking...


Apple's EULA/TOS != US Law/Constitution

[thecompkid]

Ok, well first off. If you purchased your PC or iPhone or whatever, then it YOURS to do whatever you want with. You own it and it is your property. So legally you can do whatever you want with it, destroy it, take it apart, hack it, mod it, whatever. That is not illegal. There is nothing illegal involved in jailbreaking an iPhone, reverse engineering an app to crack it could be considered copyright infringement though. The only consequences of jailbreaking your iPhone are from Apple, bricked phone, voided warranty etc. It is against their Terms and EULA.

On the other hand, putting OSX on a PC is ONLY ILLEGAL IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LICENSE. Then it would be copyright infringement and they could possibly sue you for stealing software. But if you have a legit license and install OSX on your PC the only rules you are breaking are the Terms and Conditions and the EULA. Apple cannot do anything to you except for possibly revoke your license or not give you updates.

I hope this has cleared some things up.

Thanks,
DJ McG

That is all true, but there is no license from Apple for OS X that would allow installation on non-Apple hardware. Whether you buy it or not, you are breaking the license agreement.

[clint999]

well...as long as theres not direct links here to any pirated software, but I think they're closing it not only because of direct links (I wonder who complained) guess somebody of the mods is friend with somebody...dont see any other reason if theres no direct links to delete every posting. Cum oon! Hackintosh, right? live up to your name at least

[nawcom]

That is all true, but there is no license from Apple for OS X that would allow installation on non-Apple hardware. Whether you buy it or not, you are breaking the license agreement.

The subject of this claim is what is hot - what makes Apple hardware Apple hardware? Name a part of an apple computer that is "made by apple". You can't. It's all third party. Intel makes the processors. Broadcom or Atheros makes the wireless cards. Asus and Quanta make the cases. Realtek makes the sound. Matsushita/aka Panasonic makes the dvd drive. Hitachi makes the hard drive. Marvell makes the lan card. They run off of ICH7 mobos, so usb is intel and firewire is agere. Bleh, you get the point. If that is all Apple hardware, then what makes Apple hardware Apple hardware? an EULA is an EULA, worth nothing in court, and the reason why Apple hasn't sued Psystar? because other than a TPM chip, there's not much difference at all. It all comes down to the Apple logo being placed on 3rd party hardware that's also used to make other brand name PCs, and that's why they would fail in a law suit.

If I'm incorrect about anything legal wise here let me know, I'm just saying what I've learned so far by studying the legal aspects of this situation. Boogahoo!

[nawcom]

well...as long as theres not direct links here to any pirated software, but I think they're closing it not only because of direct links (I wonder who complained) guess somebody of the mods is friend with somebody...dont see any other reason if theres no direct links to delete every posting. Cum oon! Hackintosh, right? live up to your name at least

One solution I thought wouldn't be that bad of an idea, is to only provide ppfs based off of the original leopard dvd. that way, custom dvds are only legit if you have the original dvd (assuming you bought it, hence you have a license to use that copy of leopard that you bought). Will that stop the piracy? Probably not. It would however promote the possibility of running os x on a pc without becoming a software pirate. Oh wells. I personally think that someone would rather download a copy without having a license to use it versus someone buying a copy of leopard and downloading the copy without even having to open up the plastic wrapping on the box. So by only providing a patch to the dvd image, it will probably help people feel a little safer with what they are doing by having to get the original dvd.

[Former Bender]

The subject of this claim is what is hot - what makes Apple hardware Apple hardware?

The copyrighted and proprietary Apple EFI boot code is the only thing that makes an Apple Computer.

[AppleInsider]

No its not, the EFI is made by Intel and a PE object that is loaded by the EFI is made by 2 Apple Engineers. In other words EFI is made by Intel and a MODULE that EFI loads is made by Apple. That module is one that displays the boot menu when you hold the left option key down during boot. There is a 2nd module also made by Apple which is the "target mode" module that EFI loads turning your mac into a firewire target device disk. Finally I hate everytime I see this but TPM (Trust Platform Module) "Chip" is not in any mac out side of the original Core Duo and Core Solo units. Any mac with a Core 2 Duo and Xeon does NOT have TPM.