PWNED! by iPhone Dev Team [not a fake, confirmed]

[Pajaro]

Bye Bye Pwnage!!

[kiwi]

ahahah big fake omg


this can be done in 3 ways:

- after effects

- with the chinese iphone

- replacing the recovery mode picture with anything else through SSH


pretty noob

[protoZ_dk]

- replacing the recovery mode picture with anything else through SSH


you really dont have a clue about that one do you.

[Pajaro]

ahahah big fake omg


this can be done in 3 ways:

- after effects

- with the chinese iphone

- replacing the recovery mode picture with anything else through SSH


pretty noob

Stupid as always.
Mark from HackThatPhone, has confirmed that this is the last creation of the iPhone Dev Team members.

[versus]

Last? Meaning there won't be any more coming from them? :(

[kiwi]

look, there are plenty of videos on the net showing magic fw 1.1.4 unlcok, or new fw on my iphone ecc... and they are all fake... if no one explain how they did that well don't belive it simple as that

[minos197]

They will release it when the SDK is out.Or maybe Iphone 2 is out just in case apple patches it :)

[xphoid]

ok but where is it?! when will we use it?!

[Novaoblivion]

It seems like something that could be easily faked to me but if its real I wonder if we could get Android to boot on the iPhone?

[neonkoala]

No, Linux attempt failed to boot the kernel.

[fluffless]

No, Linux attempt failed to boot the kernel.

Doh! It would have been rather interesting being able to give android a try on an iPhone :)

[brand1130]

retards. this is real. if you ever want to know if something is real, check the dev-teams website .... www.iphone-dev.org

yikes

[MuscleNerd]

ahahah big fake omg
this can be done in 3 ways:
- replacing the recovery mode picture with anything else through SSH
pretty noob

The mere fact that you think the recovery mode picture can simply be "replaced" shows that you really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[iphot_2k]

signing firmware images looks pretty cool but most people here thirst
on noob spoonfeeding like jailbreaking/act./unlocking like zibri released
for those less brain people here.

[versus]

2nd video loosed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks86VRzVLic

[sirdir]

So, what does that exactly mean? A modified Bootloader that allows any firmware to be installed and being activated/unlocked automatically?

[peu]

It seems custom cooked ROMs are not far away :D

The way I interpret the video is: dev team created a custom boatloader and this allows to load original firmwares without activation/jailbreaking/unlocking troubles, pretty much like what geohot announced while ago and never released in an usable way.

Or, the DEV Team found a way to create their own signed firmware images.

Both options are great. Hope its released the minute after the SDK is announced.


Kudos!

[kiwi]

fake... omg noobs believe in anything u see..... it is fake PERIOD

stop presuming facts... it is fake!

[Pajaro]

STFU fucking noob. You only post stupid comments and you dont have a clue of anything.

[Anarchy]

LOL @ kiwi
Youre such a smartass... You know usually people that want to make you believe in something talk with facts right?

[sh1n1gam1]

It seems custom cooked ROMs are not far away :D

The way I interpret the video is: dev team created a custom boatloader and this allows to load original firmwares without activation/jailbreaking/unlocking troubles, pretty much like what geohot announced while ago and never released in an usable way.

Or, the DEV Team found a way to create their own signed firmware images.

Both options are great. Hope its released the minute after the SDK is announced.


Kudos!

I've been told that it's the latter. It's not a custom bootloader but a signed custom firmware image (.ipsw) loaded, among other things, with the appropriate fstab, lockdownd, and baseband unlocking script (that presumably was run during the reboot after the upgrade).

[huecobros]

ATT: KIWI aka TROLL

you are retarded. Bye

[Bonzo87]

I think the DEV Team found a way to create their own signed firmware images.
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/02/29/jailbreak-from-itunes/

[Tycho81]

This would in theory allow for usage on more than one bootloader yes?

which I think would be it's major advantage over a solution like ZiPhone. While ZiPhone is great and it's allowed people to use their phones. it's potential lifespan could end with the release of a new bootloader or some other checks in a new phone version. don't really know.

I personally like the idea of not needing to be downgrading various parts of the phone to use current versions of firmware (I'm still on 1.1.2 with my 4.6 BL). still iffy on downgrading my bootloader.

:cool:

[RiqTosh]

Someone posted this comment on TUAW.com:

sog said...

Unfortunately, wouldn't Apple's just patch iTunes to do a crc/md5 type check on the firmware file before attempting the restore so that only official firmware files are allowed?

LOL. Oh well, I guess the cat and mouse chase countinues.

[boliva]

fake... omg noobs believe in anything u see..... it is fake PERIOD

stop presuming facts... it is fake!

Hey kiwi, are you such an ass all the time, or only on leap years?

[bezman]

kiwi and others your IP should be banned from the servers to download this when it is released..

fake?.. some of you re so retarded... why would the dev team fake something like this?? they have a tremendous amount of respect to loose and would never jeopardized that.

[bitnaut]

So, given that this custom bootloader is coming, is it better to be on BL3.9 or 4.6 or does it even matter?

[jrui]

So, given that this custom bootloader is coming, is it better to be on BL3.9 or 4.6 or does it even matter?

And that is a good question. Some people say that downgrading to 3.9 is bad, because the phone will stay there for ever, without the possibility to upgrade again, even with a custom firmware. Don't know about that... But if this is true a lot of people are about to freeze there phone for ever with the new 1.1.4 firm and Ziphone 2.5.

What do you think?

[kiwi]

whatever guys... let me know when they will say how they did it....

ps

check in the forum a thread called week 50 iphone impossible to unlock...... guess who was convincing the community that was a fake?? do a serach before talking guys... it is always the same story and always the poor kiwi gets the insult :(

[pastir]

Someone posted this comment on TUAW.com:



LOL. Oh well, I guess the cat and mouse chase countinues.


So use unpached iTunes or older version :) That's easy :cool:

[nab7007]

So this is a sticky now.

Is this an "UNOFFICIAL" confirmation of an "OFFICIAL PWNED"?:D

[Yusaku]

Well, "maybe" the presence of the same two YouTube links on DevTeam wiki (editable only by Dev team members) are enough of a confirmation, don't you think?

[RiqTosh]

So use unpached iTunes or older version :) That's easy :cool:


Yeah, I keep all my old iTunes for this very reason. :D

I believe there is also a website that keeps all the different versions of old software, including iTunes, for people to download. The name of the website escapes me at the moment. :confused:

[SamuraiPhone]

woopteedoo, i hope this will be available soon, and can be "upgraded" from both 3.9/4.6.

[s!lencer]

Yeah, I keep all my old iTunes for this very reason. :D

I believe there is also a website that keeps all the different versions of old software, including iTunes, for people to download. The name of the website escapes me at the moment. :confused:
VersionTracker?

[RiqTosh]

VersionTracker?


No. Nice website though.
The one I've used before is http://www.oldversion.com/

This is their iTunes link: http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=itunes

iTunes 4.1 (19.1 MB)
iTunes 4.2 (19.0 MB)
iTunes 4.6 (19.6 MB)
iTunes 4.7 (21 MB)
iTunes 4.8 (21 MB)
iTunes 4.9 (21 MB)
iTunes 5 (33 MB)
iTunes 5.0.1 (32 MB)
iTunes 6 (33 MB)
iTunes 6.0.1 (33 MB)
iTunes 6.0.2.23 (35 MB)
iTunes 6.0.3 (35 MB)
iTunes 6.0.4 (35 MB)
iTunes 6.0.5 (36 MB)
iTunes 7 (37 MB)
iTunes 7.0.1 (35 MB)
iTunes 7.0.2 (35 MB)

[aviegas]

And that is a good question. Some people say that downgrading to 3.9 is bad, because the phone will stay there for ever, without the possibility to upgrade again, even with a custom firmware. Don't know about that... But if this is true a lot of people are about to freeze there phone for ever with the new 1.1.4 firm and Ziphone 2.5.

What do you think?

I've been preaching the "Don't downgrade, just wait" for quite some time now. Downgrading - at this time - has no turning back and only BL 4.6 has a known exploit that allows loading a custom BL.

All experience with the iPhone so far has showed me that: (a) just try things that has a known reversal procedure and (b) never say "it can't be done".

Remember this first HW unlock and the first anySIM? The problem when 1.1.1 came out and several people got their phones "bricked". It took quite some time for the virginizing proceedures to come out.

Remember GeoHot statement "4.6BL SW unlock is not possible".....

So it's hard to make a decision now. Currently having a BL3.9 phone is better, but in the long run BL4.6 sounds more promissing.

But, there is no problem in running 1.1.3 and 1.1.4 with BL 4.6 and BB 04.02.13_G, so it's perfectly fine to way and do not close doors....

But ziphone 2.5 will force people to downgrade in order to unlock, not a very wise decision.

[Bnet]

Can anybody explain step by step what does PWNED do? And for what does it stand.

[madrich]

VersionTracker?

FileHippo.

[RiqTosh]

Can anybody explain step by step what does PWNED do? And for what does it stand.


PWNED is the internet equivalent to OWNED. As in "I owned you!"



PWONED - to be owned, or showed up by another. As an alternative spelling of powned, pwoned takes on a 'haxor' computer user overtone. Assumedly the creative spelling emulates a keyboarding mistake.

Most often used as an exclamation. Also used like " Here's the link to the file you said didn't exist, heh, you got pwoned!" (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwoned)

[Bnet]

PWNED is the internet equivalent to OWNED. As in "I owned you!"
Ok i knewed allready. I though it's a special meaning in this on, ...

What can you do with it? The video dont tell me much.

[norenred]

The iPhone in the 2nd video featuring the "pwned" screen shows a capacity of 3.8gb. Shouldn't this be a sign that this is a pre 1.1.2 OOTB iPhone and therefore came with bl 3.9?

[magic.one]

Right, 4GB iPhones can only be BL 3.9. Hopefully its aviable for public soon. Cant wait to test this :)

[abrasBR]

Right, 4GB iPhones can only be BL 3.9. Hopefully its aviable for public soon. Cant wait to test this :)
No. Refurbisheds 4Gb models comes with BL 4.6.
And it could be updated using hardware

[pastir]

No. Nice website though.
The one I've used before is http://www.oldversion.com/

This is their iTunes link: http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=itunes

iTunes 4.1 (19.1 MB)
iTunes 4.2 (19.0 MB)
iTunes 4.6 (19.6 MB)
iTunes 4.7 (21 MB)
iTunes 4.8 (21 MB)
iTunes 4.9 (21 MB)
iTunes 5 (33 MB)
iTunes 5.0.1 (32 MB)
iTunes 6 (33 MB)
iTunes 6.0.1 (33 MB)
iTunes 6.0.2.23 (35 MB)
iTunes 6.0.3 (35 MB)
iTunes 6.0.4 (35 MB)
iTunes 6.0.5 (36 MB)
iTunes 7 (37 MB)
iTunes 7.0.1 (35 MB)
iTunes 7.0.2 (35 MB)

Are you kiddin me or what? try data.bg but of course your outside of Bulgaria and may be would not be able to download but if you need something just drop me a pm and i will send you even the hardest to find software and of course any version of it :rolleyes:

[donky]

nice this time apple is really pwnd!!!!

[mickey3390]

Looks to me as if the Dev Team have managed to extract the security shell, rewrite it and put it back and of course make it work, If that is true which it seems to be they have full control over the softwear in other words they have the decription key. WOW I would like to know how they did that there are over 1,000,ooo,ooo,ooo posable combinations you have a better chance of hitting the lottery 10 times in a row than doing this. If I am correct. I am impressed, look out Apple. Only problem I can see with this ability I am not sure where you would stand legaly in respect to copyright laws etc with this. Kinda like the IMIE changing thing that in the U.S. Is against federial law so wouldn't this fall into that catagory too? Just my thoughts GO Dev Team!!! you rock.....W

[falcon212]

PWNED is Pawned ! not Owned ! :)

[rchik]

I wonder how much customization can be done. Assuming devs dont have apple's supersecret key, there should be some limitations to the possible changes. As for legality issues, i think binary patcher can solve any trouble

[donky]

I can't wait

[neonkoala]

PWNED is Pawned ! not Owned ! :)

Wrong. It comes from a typo as on a QWERTY keyboard P is next to O.

[Jondalar]

geeez. what a discussion while you are probably both right... check http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pawned

There are two versions/roots of this.

Cheers,
J*

[beba]

Ones they open a door, we will have a lot of home build firmware images around, i believe even with pre-installed programs and other nice things... A same thing is happened in Pocket PC world few years ago...

[neonkoala]

Ones they open a door, we will have a lot of home build firmware images around, i believe even with pre-installed programs and other nice things... A same thing is happened in Pocket PC world few years ago...

Yep I remember the days of cooking ROMs for my Wizard... Saved so much time adding core tweaks so that if a hard reset was needed or spring clean it took much less time to set up the phone again.

[donky]

I WONDER WHAT APPLE is doin right now................................ :rolleyes:

[madrich]

They are regretting that they did not produce and market an unlocked iPhone from the beginning.

[romenator]

Absolutely. They could have easily gotten away with charging more for an iphone without the contracts. I read on iclarified about iphone arriving to Ireland soon. Its funny that O2 are now activating the sim at their store rather than through itunes.

Surely it must mean Apple are going to stop locking the iphones with future updates?

[The_Real_BigBuckz]

Looks like the mouse has finally won the game

[donky]

yep it sure does

[Jim Danner]

Its funny that O2 are now activating the sim at their store rather than through itunes.

Surely it must mean Apple are going to stop locking the iphones with future updates?Doesn't necessarily mean that. This is common practice in Europe; it's more surprising that they didn't do this in Germany and France.

[Vigilantes]

Looks like the mouse has finally won the game


Just TOO MANY mice in the field to go after :)

[romenator]

Doesn't necessarily mean that. This is common practice in Europe; it's more surprising that they didn't do this in Germany and France.

All the phones that are purchased on a contract are activated (sim activated) at store. Iphone is the first phone in Uk that could be taken home without signing a contract at the store/online.

Now, they are returning to the "classic" method. This can only mean 1 of 2 things: O2 are not getting profits from iphone sales, and are ignoring apples preferred method of activation, or Apple have advised them to do it, so they no longer wish to lock the iphones.

[ChronicProductions]

I've been told that it's the latter. It's not a custom bootloader but a signed custom firmware image (.ipsw) loaded, among other things, with the appropriate fstab, lockdownd, and baseband unlocking script (that presumably was run during the reboot after the upgrade).

No, it's not a custom signed ipsw

[ChronicProductions]

Someone posted this comment on TUAW.com:



LOL. Oh well, I guess the cat and mouse chase countinues.

Oh. My. God. Did you not realize that iTunes already does this and was the whole reason that we couldn't achieve this in the first place?

[ChronicProductions]

Looks like the mouse has finally won the game

The way I see it, the game is still going on, but we are now the cat.

[kiwi]

confirmed??? well it is made on a bl 3.9 which makes possible changing the image in a specific fw... so it is pointless.... ioh well nevermind I am the troll here lol

[ramb0]

Okay, so they've demonstrated it's possible, but we must take advantage of this immediately. A new model iPhone may be out within 6 months which could void everything we've learnt so far.

Look at the Xbox compared to Xbox 360, for example.

[enkrypt3d]

PWNED is the internet equivalent to OWNED. As in "I owned you!"

rofl... I was waiting for someone to explain it...

http://www.raptorschat.ca/forums/style_emoticons/default/rofl.gif

[donky]

Okay, so they've demonstrated it's possible, but we must take advantage of this immediately. A new model iPhone may be out within 6 months which could void everything we've learnt so far.

Look at the Xbox compared to Xbox 360, for example.yeah but not everyone is gonna get the new iphone :D

[patvg]

confirmed??? well it is made on a bl 3.9 which makes possible changing the image in a specific fw... so it is pointless.... ioh well nevermind I am the troll here lol
if you look again to the video in detail and carefully, you can see following :
-a 1.1.1 iPhone is upgraded to 1.1.4 in iTunes
-after this upgrade, the iPhone pops up without activation, without jailbreak, without unlock, there is even installer !!!???

I think DEVteam is very clear in everything it is communicating, they -since the very beginning of the iPhone hacking - also never hinted to something they did not realize or was fake. And, if they give/gave hints, the release was always "around the corner" ; I suppose they just are waiting for the SDK to be available ..

[ChronicProductions]

BL3.9/BL4.6 = BASEBAND BOOTLOADER!

THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

[ChronicProductions]

yeah but not everyone is gonna get the new iphone :D

And I strongly doubt that Apple will make an iPhone that is unbreakable anytime soon. The reason I say this is because there are rumours of a 3G iPhone, but changing the main bootloader would require a hardware revamp and would push back the release date much more than they would want.

[Killian]

is going to work on 4.6 or 3.9 BL ?

Tkz

[beermantm]

how do you keep an asshole in suspense?? :D

(I can't wait for this to happen!!)

[ChronicProductions]

is going to work on 4.6 or 3.9 BL ?

Tkz

Please refer to my post a few posts up...I JUST answered that question.

[Killian]

Please refer to my post a few posts up...I JUST answered that question.

sorry my friend, but where?

i just saw this

"BL3.9/BL4.6 = BASEBAND BOOTLOADER!

THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT"

so ?

[peu]

I wonder if we're going to see the new dev-team creation after this thursday, or they will wait until the final release of the SDK is launched.

Well, its only a few days more...

[email68]

Why is a youtube link a sticky?

I could see if there was an official annoucement or something....

[Z00L]

Why is a youtube link a sticky?

I could see if there was an official annoucement or something....
It's a pre-announcement.
Since it's the next big thing, the one YOU and all of us are going to use in the near future it deserves the sticky.
Besides, it's not like it's a stolen/leaked code/exploit *cough*

[toxicfume]

So will this work on a 3.9BL (Downgraded from 4.6BL OTB)? If not, will there be a software to upgrade back to 4.6BL?

[dtube]

search the forum for 3.9FakeBlank.
Start reading ...

[toxicfume]

No. Because my iphone was originally a 4.6BL, but i downgradedto 3.9BL with ziphone, and now 3.9FakeBlank cannot be installed. I need some other solution please.

[ChronicProductions]

sorry my friend, but where?

i just saw this

"BL3.9/BL4.6 = BASEBAND BOOTLOADER!

THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT"

so ?

Argh..It means what it says. This is a different bootloader that is modified Not the baseband bootloader.

[sam]

There are two systems in your iphone. The baseband is a own system running a RTOS, is has a bootlaoder and such just like any system, semaphores etc. pp. but is very tight ad just servig a single purpouse, doing its abseband stuff.
The system you know is the osx one, it also has a bootlaoder and all things needed to show you this nice GUI you love.

[Killian]

Argh..It means what it says. This is a different bootloader that is modified Not the baseband bootloader.

I know, but my question is, this exploit will work only on 4.6BL ? is that right?

because i hv downgraded my BL to original 3.9, so i think i cant re-upgrade again, only if i do that testpoints stuff

dammit i knew i will regret when i did!!

but otherwise, that video is showing an old iphone or itouch, all 4gbs iphone are 3.9bootloader, so there is a hope for us...

[n350z]

There are two systems in your iphone. The baseband is a own system running a RTOS, is has a bootlaoder and such just like any system, semaphores etc. pp. but is very tight ad just servig a single purpouse, doing its abseband stuff.
The system you know is the osx one, it also has a bootlaoder and all things needed to show you this nice GUI you love.

Nice to see you back posting on the site sam :)

[Killian]

I know, but my question is, this exploit will work only on 4.6BL ? is that right?

because i hv downgraded my BL to original 3.9, so i think i cant re-upgrade again, only if i do that testpoints stuff

dammit i knew i will regret when i did!!

but otherwise, that video is showing an old iphone or itouch, all 4gbs iphone are 3.9bootloader, so there is a hope for us...

can anyone answer my question please?

tkz

[Z00L]

can anyone answer my question please?

tkz
"PWNED" isn't baseband Bootloader related. ;)

[Killian]

"PWNED" isn't baseband Bootloader related. ;)

i got it now, but is related to what? if is not bootloader or baseband...

so i can assume it will work on any BL ?

correct if iam wrong, i was reading geo blogs, and he said his work (4.6GEOMOD) is obviously based on 4.6 BL... i think we need 4.6 to use PWNED, am i wrong?

[sh1n1gam1]

i got it now, but is related to what? if is not bootloader or baseband...

so i can assume it will work on any BL ?

correct if iam wrong, i was reading geo blogs, and he said his work (4.6GEOMOD) is obviously based on 4.6 BL... i think we need 4.6 to use PWNED, am i wrong?

According to bgm, one of the Dev Team members, "PWNED" is NOT based on a custom bootloader. I specifically asked bgm on the iphone IRC channel shortly after the second "PWNED" video was released. It is based on a custom ipsw (firmware). It's still possible that the exploit is for a particular BL but it's not based on geohot's custom bootloader.

[Killian]

According to bgm, one of the Dev Team members, "PWNED" is NOT based on a custom bootloader. I specifically asked bgm on the iphone IRC channel shortly after the second "PWNED" video was released. It is based on a custom ipsw (firmware). It's still possible that the exploit is for a particular BL but it's not based on geohot's custom bootloader.

all right, i was reading who has 3.9BL original cant use it, i dunno why.. i can´t remember where read...

but, have you noticed on video, that iphone is the old 4GB iphone, so for sure is 3.9BL, what do you think ?

[sh1n1gam1]

all right, i was reading who has 3.9BL original cant use it, i dunno why.. i can´t remember where read...

but, have you noticed on video, that iphone is the old 4GB iphone, so for sure is 3.9BL, what do you think ?

Well, not necessarily. There is no way to know whether the 4GB iphone used in the video was hardware hacked at any stage much less whether the Dev Team or geohot now know of a way to upgrade the BL that they haven't released yet. In short, there is insufficient information to draw any conclusions from the video. In any case, assuming that Apple releases the SDK tomorrow, we'll probably find out how this "PWNED" scheme works in a few days.

[Locked]

According to bgm, one of the Dev Team members, "PWNED" is NOT based on a custom bootloader. I specifically asked bgm on the iphone IRC channel shortly after the second "PWNED" video was released. It is based on a custom ipsw (firmware). It's still possible that the exploit is for a particular BL but it's not based on geohot's custom bootloader.

PWNED uses a custom application bootloader. As you know, there are two chips in the iPhone. The ARM Core which runs OS X, and the infinion chip that runs the baseband. Both chips have their own bootloaders. The baseband's bootloader (3.9 or 4.6) is not touched in pwned.

[donky]

Is it because you need apple electronic-sigs?

[ChronicProductions]

PWNED uses a custom application bootloader. As you know, there are two chips in the iPhone. The ARM Core which runs OS X, and the infinion chip that runs the baseband. Both chips have their own bootloaders. The baseband's bootloader (3.9 or 4.6) is not touched in pwned.

Everyone asking if it will run on 3.9/4.6, please listen to this guy, because you have somehow missed my countless posts informing you that it uses the other bootloader

[ChronicProductions]

I know, but my question is, this exploit will work only on 4.6BL ? is that right?

because i hv downgraded my BL to original 3.9, so i think i cant re-upgrade again, only if i do that testpoints stuff

dammit i knew i will regret when i did!!

but otherwise, that video is showing an old iphone or itouch, all 4gbs iphone are 3.9bootloader, so there is a hope for us...

Please oh please oh please people....THIS DOES NOT USE THE BASEBAND BOOTLOADER. IT USES THE ARM CORE BOOTLOADER, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN CHANGED YET. Please stop asking if it works on 3.9/4.6. The GEOMOD thing? That was for the BASEBAND bootloader, not this one. Again, totally different.

[ridderdk]

Everyone asking if it will run on 3.9/4.6, please listen to this guy, because you have somehow missed my countless posts informing you that it uses the other bootloader


EDIT: Thank you, my question has already been answered
Kindly inform us, what do you mean when saying: "is uses the other bootloader"
What other bootloader?????

[Killian]

Please oh please oh please people....THIS DOES NOT USE THE BASEBAND BOOTLOADER. IT USES THE ARM CORE BOOTLOADER, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN CHANGED YET. Please stop asking if it works on 3.9/4.6. The GEOMOD thing? That was for the BASEBAND bootloader, not this one. Again, totally different.

now you were very clear ;)


tkz

[Z00L]

Locked & ChronicProductions:

You guys know that we have to deal with people that don't have too much expertise on this matter, some can't even distinguished Activation from Jailbreak.
So, since you clearly stated before i took the liberty to repost your simple and correct explanations: :)

Locked
PWNED uses a custom application bootloader. As you know, there are two chips in the iPhone. The ARM Core which runs OS X, and the infinion chip that runs the baseband. Both chips have their own bootloaders. The baseband's bootloader (3.9 or 4.6) is not touched in pwned.

ChronicProductions
THIS DOES NOT USE THE BASEBAND BOOTLOADER. IT USES THE ARM CORE BOOTLOADER, WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN CHANGED YET. Please stop asking if it works on 3.9/4.6. The GEOMOD thing? That was for the BASEBAND bootloader, not this one. Again, totally different.

Please people READ THE ABOVE about the 2 different Bootloaders.

Cumps

[Killian]

Locked & ChronicProductions:

You guys know that we have to deal with people that don't have too much expertise on this matter, some can't even distinguished Activation from Jailbreak.
So, since you clearly stated before i took the liberty to repost your simple and correct explanations: :)





Please people READ THE ABOVE about the 2 different Bootloaders.

Cumps

tkz man i haven´t seen the first quote before, so sorry, now is very clear...


the second one was he answered to me, and then i got it...

actually i tried to find before some answers but i couldn´t, but now is nice

tkz all

[mikebuzz]

http://www.iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:pwnage

must be coming soon, looks to be a place marker on their site :)

[SoLoR]

http://www.iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:pwnage

must be coming soon, looks to be a place marker on their site :)

yes also for their next project! http://www.iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:helloimnextproject

[Killian]

yes also for their next project! http://www.iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:helloimnextproject

invalid link

[mikebuzz]

http://www.iphone-dev.org/?do=recent

god know what you tried to post solor, but if you look at the link, pumpkin has added that placemarker

[SoLoR]

http://www.iphone-dev.org/?do=recent

god know what you tried to post solor, but if you look at the link, pumpkin has added that placemarker

! i was trying to make a joke :)

[peu]

So after the SDK event news, I guess we will see PWNED news after fw 2.0 in june right?

I just ordered more popcorn :D

[Lush78]

i believe they will probably wait until fw 2.0 is released...

[n350z]

i believe they will probably wait until fw 2.0 is released...

I'm 99.9% sure they will wait for 2.0fw

You can bet your arse all current JB's will not work with this new 2.0 update :D

Edit: And if they can get the beta 2.0 version that gives them a few weeks to experiment with pwned running on it as well

[donky]

so a new 2.0 will come out with a new BL?

[protoZ_dk]

so a new 2.0 will come out with a new BL?

how should ANYONE but Apple know that?
Let's wait and see.
It's not imposible though

[Jim Danner]

With this customized pwned thing, will it be possible to install the firmware with changed partition sizes? I'd really like the OS partition to be 500 MB instead of 300. It would just make things easier.

[dafranca]

i believe they will probably wait until fw 2.0 is released...

The new iPhone 2.0 software release will came out only in June.

I feel like dev team put a candy on my mouth (just to tease me), and them took the candy back and say that I will only have the candy back in June!

[FlYaSS]

I am wondering, why do you think that in summer there will be a update to 2.0?
I think apple will make some new generation in summer for iphone. Because they always are making new generations for iPod's and other stuff each year. And I think that iphone 1st generation probably soon will become as old stuff for Apple :P

I can't wait to test PWNED, because i hope it will be less commercial than original one. Now you can't legally upload ring tones, use it in non supported countries, use it as removal HDD and staff like that. I am using all this but it isn't user friendly.

This is just my subjective opinion for all this.

EDIT: ou i just red about that firmware version but i think it is good a marketing trick. There will be no global changes at all, just nice number 2.0.

[dafranca]

I am wondering, why do you think that in summer there will be a update to 2.0?

That is the same reason why they started with 4GB. Why thy started with 4GB costing $.4k?
I am sure they could have released the 32GB iphone with 3G conection and GPS. Why they didn't do it?
They didn't do because is that is modern selling strategy. Iphone is one of a kind product, no direct competidor. Apple invested tons of $$$ and years on iphone project and they have to make money with it, so it will be upgranted little by little and when is needed.What apple wants is to make money, Steve needs to make good deals with other copanies and he can not do good deals while he have only 1% of cell phones market, with more iphones on the market then he will have the power to negociate for his profit and we will have more.
Steve doesn't want only to sell lots of iphone. he is looking ahead for future profit with sells/partnership services/products. Apple gets $10.00 each month for each AT&T line on Iphone. We will only see things on Iphone that are profitable for Apple.

here is my 2 cents back to the topic:

I would love to see Iphone 2.0 beta PWNED before june, but if they are going to wait until the official release we will have to wait until june.
I think Dev Team should show the world their outstanding kernel, because same else could caught up with them by june.
If Dev Team release shows the source. It could be the start up for a GNU OS for Iphone. I think we would probabily see the begin of 2 OS over Iphone. We should see samething like it hapened between Linux and Solaris(and other copyrighted *nix OS).

Iphone is a great toy, but be limited for what is profitable only for Steve sucks!

[spyboy]

PWNED uses a custom application bootloader. As you know, there are two chips in the iPhone. The ARM Core which runs OS X, and the infinion chip that runs the baseband. Both chips have their own bootloaders. The baseband's bootloader (3.9 or 4.6) is not touched in pwned.

does that explain why it first has the white apple logo then the red pwned logo? :cool:

[FlYaSS]

@dafranca

Thanks a lot, I just red some information about this firmware. nothing special at first moment.

[Z00L]

http://iphwn.org/news: pwnage

Note: delete the space before the "pwnage"


Tools to be released soon at an iPhone near you... :)

[donky]

which bootloader Is this for

[dafranca]

donky,

doesn't matter. This isn't on the bootloader... read previews post!

[n350z]

Z00L
Tools to be released soon at an iPhone near you... :)

10000 people have just refreshed installer :D

[lolof]

Outside the use of Itunes to install all our baseband/soft, what are the real advantage of this method in comparaison with iPlus for the end-user and for the future ?
Except maybe for now that people do not need to DG the bl to have last firmware fully unsimlocker.....
!

[TJ2K7]

Anyone noticed that now on the dev site, they have put up details of the exploit they use....
:D

[n350z]

Anyone noticed that now on the dev site, they have put up details of the exploit they use....
:D


I going over now to look again at the pwned news link

But I think your find they have only explain in general how the exploit works

Not that actual coding involved :)

To many Apple spy's :D

[TJ2K7]

I going over now to look again at the pwned news link

But I think your find they have only explain in general how the exploit works

Not that actual coding involved :)

To many Apple spy's :D

I agree, i hope they don't release this until after 2.0 so they can use this method on that update

Also, Did you mean this article (http://www.iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:pwnage)

:D

[Jim Danner]

http://iphwn.org/news: pwnage (http://iphwn.org/news:%20pwnage)

Note: delete the space before the "pwnage"


Tools to be released soon at an iPhone near you... :)This is mouthwatering. Imagine all the custom installations that will be available. I can't wait.

[n350z]

I agree, i hope they don't release this until after 2.0 so they can use this method on that update

Also, Did you mean this article (http://www.iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:pwnage)

:D

Yea thats the article I've been reading :D

[Pajaro]

The iPhone Dev Team appear to be getting closer to releasing their latest creation "Pwnage". It will allow for creation of custom firmware files that you can flash to your iPhone, that once restored, will automatically be activated, jailbroken, unlocked and customized with applications....

http://iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:pwnage

[shinishi_kudo]

any idea for when release this method?

[donky]

thats coool i wonder what apple is gonna do about this

[donky]

the coolest thing is updating via itunes and still being able to use everything!!

[FlYaSS]

the coolest thing is updating via itunes and still being able to use everything!!

that will make our life's less interesting :D because it will be too simply, no googling, no hacking. :D

[1001]

Interesting, how will they manage original 3.9 BL...

[zetsurin]

ahahah big fake omg


this can be done in 3 ways:

- after effects

- with the chinese iphone

- replacing the recovery mode picture with anything else through SSH


pretty noob

Well, I guess you must be feeling like a moron right about now, eh?

[madrich]

I think this is fantastic, and I would recommend that the DEV TEAM should be greatly rewarded for this feat. I would recommend that a membership or other fee should be payable and required to acquire this hack.

[shane_pcs]

Well until they release it, its worth $0 to anyone. I'll withhold judgment until I see some sort of benefit from it.

[donky]

Interesting, how will they manage original 3.9 BL...What do you mean???

[donky]

that will make our life's less interesting :D because it will be too simply, no googling, no hacking. :DYeah tell me about it. :D

[donky]

man i love that rock music on that 2nd video!!!

[Rekoil]

The bootloader they talk about modifying isnt the baseband bootloader (3.1, 3.8, 3.9 or 4.6), but rather the sgold bootloader (aka, application bootloader, iboot, main bootloader, etc). Its independent of the baseband bootloader completely and the sgold bootloader is the same on all devices, iPhones and iTouches alike afaik.

[Rekoil]

man i love that rock music on that 2nd video!!!

Its In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 1 by Dream Theatre. The album is called Systematic Chaos :) great album and song.

[Z00L]

Updated: http://iphone-dev.org/main

http://bayimg.com/HAjLgaaBc

^^ so cool :eek:

[maidstonelad]

Updated: http://iphone-dev.org/main

http://bayimg.com/HAjLgaaBc

^^ so cool :eek:

No Way! iPhone-Dev done it again!

Is that 2.0 (Beta) Firmware on their iPhone??

:)

[donky]

wow these guys are legands!

[donky]

The bootloader they talk about modifying isnt the baseband bootloader (3.1, 3.8, 3.9 or 4.6), but rather the sgold bootloader (aka, application bootloader, iboot, main bootloader, etc). Its independent of the baseband bootloader completely and the sgold bootloader is the same on all devices, iPhones and iTouches alike afaik.So they then is this a good thing or not?

[donky]

Its In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 1 by Dream Theatre. The album is called Systematic Chaos :) great album and song.Yep it is.

[Ashmodai]

So they then is this a good thing or not?

Of course it is :-)

How sweet it will be to update my iphone to 1.2 (or 2.0 as you want to call it) beta using itunes :D

[donky]

Of course it is :-)

How sweet it will be to update my iphone to 1.2 (or 2.0 as you want to call it) beta using itunes :Dyeah that would be cool

[zincozinco]

They are gods!! when can we have it please pleasepleasepleaseplese.
Id sign up for beta testing right now.... :)

http://gizmodo.com/366751/iphone-20-unlocked-runs-all-apps

[Ashmodai]

Wahhhhou. That's impressive and very nice indeed :)
Let's hope the devteam releases this one quickly now ;)

These guys are really genious :cool:

[n350z]

The best news, however, is this: "the hacked 1.2 firmware works with anything. AT&T and others, it's pwned. And Apple will not really be able to patch it this time... somehow :-)"

Even with this news I still think Dev will wait for the official release just incase :)

[newgalactic]

Any news on the content of the new firmware? Does it contain an updated Bluetooth profile stack? Or would this be something that Apple would purposely not include until the official firmware is released in June?

[newgalactic]

Ok, so I read that the 1.2 Firmware doesn't contain any of the Bluetooth, WiFi, Radio functions included in the Production Firmware. So, nothing to see here until June.

...too bad

[mikrohard]

Where did you read this? If what you're telling is true, then the 1.2.0 beta brings nothing new except the sdk support. That means it's useless for me :(

[Ashmodai]

Even with this news I still think Dev will wait for the official release just incase :)

Lol. The devteam is talking about releasing it soon so I don't think they will wait June. 3 months is not really soon whatever your criteria :)
I hope they will not at least !!!

[zetsurin]

Lol. The devteam is talking about releasing it soon so I don't think they will wait June. 3 months is not really soon whatever your criteria :)
I hope they will not at least !!!

True, and in addition to this, they have already explained how it works on their site. I think the only thing holding back the release would actually be it's user-friendliness or lack off (ie. concerns of endless n00bs messing up their phones).

[n350z]

Lol. The devteam is talking about releasing it soon so I don't think they will wait June. 3 months is not really soon whatever your criteria :)
I hope they will not at least !!!

I hope you're right m8 because 3 months will feel like 3 years :D

[abrasBR]

Ok, and now just one more thing.
iPhone Dev Team just released a DUALBOOT (http://iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:dualboot) for the iphone (ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME??????heheheheeh).
So now you can use 2 differents firmware on the iPhone.

http://iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:dualboot

[mosscowiphone]

True, and in addition to this, they have already explained how it works on their site. I think the only thing holding back the release would actually be it's user-friendliness or lack off (ie. concerns of endless n00bs messing up their phones).
I'd be happy to test it on my iPhone, and take the risk!

[mosscowiphone]

Of course it is :-)

How sweet it will be to update my iphone to 1.2 (or 2.0 as you want to call it) beta using itunes :D
Yes, and shove it right up SJ!

[mosscowiphone]

The new iPhone 2.0 software release will came out only in June.

I feel like dev team put a candy on my mouth (just to tease me), and them took the candy back and say that I will only have the candy back in June!
I can't see them waiting until then.....

[secretmrx]

I can't see them waiting until then.....

i have a feeling that pwned may be with us by the end of the week ;)

[donky]

They are gods!! when can we have it please pleasepleasepleaseplese.
Id sign up for beta testing right now.... :)

http://gizmodo.com/366751/iphone-20-unlocked-runs-all-appswaaa thats wicked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ashmodai]

Ok, and now just one more thing.
iPhone Dev Team just released a DUALBOOT (http://iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:dualboot) for the iphone (ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME??????heheheheeh).
So now you can use 2 differents firmware on the iPhone.

http://iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:dualboot

Lol. That's completely useless for most of the people around but that's again a very nice demonstration of what they can do :-) In fact it can start to be a lot less useless when they release a jailbroken 1.2 :D (so you can dual boot to test up your apps in case 1.2 is really beta and still unstable)

[donky]

As you can see people jailbreaking etc is gonna be done in a diffrent style very soon, instead of physicly jailbreaking it,a it will be jailbnroken via the IPSW and you can update to 2.0, 1.1.1, 1.1.2, 1.1.3, 1.1.4, and restore and make fully custom firmware!! what ever and still stay (TRUE UNLOCKED) :D

[Jim Danner]

As you can see people jailbreaking etc is gonna be done in a diffrent style very soon, instead of physicly jailbreaking it,...LOL. So which jailbreak method did you use, a file or a bar of dynamite?

[donky]

LOL. So which jailbreak method did you use, a file or a bar of dynamite?file lol??????

[Jim Danner]

file lol??????See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_%28tool%29

[YuckFou]

Well i have just made up my mind, everything i read on this page was like trying to understand Japanese!
In the interim i did learn a couple of things, when my new 16GB Iphone arrives on the 19th, i am just going to activate it with AT&T as i intended to do.
Then i think i will sit back and see how this plays out, i can do without Guitar Hero for another month, LOL...
I am ready to start to learn Japanese, since i was drilled by a Coke Truck, and am out on comp, i think i will sit back, swallow some percs ,, and do some hard reading.

Thanks all, been very informative!

[ChronicProductions]

I don't know about the end of the week, but I wouldn't say it is too too far off either. Just wait it out, it's pretty cool, but nothing to get too freaked out over.

Just so you know, don't trust Gizmodo. They blow things out of proportion in their articles.

[donky]

we will have it when we have it thats all that matters

[donky]

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_%28tool%29LMAO!!!!!!

[Ashmodai]

we will have it when we have it thats all that matters

Lol. That could almost be a Chuck Norris fact :D
http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

Let's hope we get it asap :rolleyes:

[donky]

Lol. That could almost be a Chuck Norris fact :D
http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

Let's hope we get it asap :rolleyes:yah I wonder when we will get it

[rajeevsharma8888]

hi !
i still have 1.1.3 (natetrue) 1.1.1 OTB,
have tons of smb themes installed & apps etc
so was thinking of going to 1.1.4 or 1.2.0
And still keeping those apps and themes,
Don't want to download them again.
So a bit confused !
when's this pwned 1.1.4 or pwned 1.2.0 gonna release ( any timeframe)
Can i backup the themes and apps !

[mosscowiphone]

hi !
i still have 1.1.3 (natetrue) 1.1.1 OTB,
have tons of smb themes installed & apps etc
so was thinking of going to 1.1.4 or 1.2.0
And still keeping those apps and themes,
Don't want to download them again.
So a bit confused !
when's this pwned 1.1.4 or pwned 1.2.0 gonna release ( any timeframe)
Can i backup the themes and apps !
Don't think so.....

[donky]

i want this!!!

[)law(]

i want this!!!

all in a good time all in good time......

[donky]

yah yah lol

[email68]

Uh oh..

These guys starting to get too much attention...

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200803132020DOWJONESDJONLINE001129_FORTUNE5.htm

[)law(]

Uh oh..

These guys starting to get too much attention...

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200803132020DOWJONESDJONLINE001129_FORTUNE5.htm

To the forttrus of solitude lol.....

[tntmorgan]

Doh! It would have been rather interesting being able to give android a try on an iPhone :)

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. Totally open, all I would want is the iPhone with 3G and a real GPS chip and then I'd be set.

[donky]

are we ever gonna get full flash?

[Locked]

are we ever gonna get full flash?

fuck flash.

DO NOT WANT

[dafranca]

Flash is too heavy for iphone. Adobe is famous for having very big codes.
But don't panic we will have Silverlight from M$crosoft by late june.

[rajeevsharma8888]

I'm thinking of updating to 1.1.4,
so any idea when this pwned method will get released !
(Just need a time frame)
So that i don't have to go through iplus or ziphone or gunlock or anything like that !

[protoZ_dk]

I'm thinking of updating to 1.1.4,
so any idea when this pwned method will get released !
(Just need a time frame)
!
it will be in 2008

[Jim Danner]

I'm thinking of updating to 1.1.4,
so any idea when this pwned method will get released !
(Just need a time frame)
So that i don't have to go through iplus or ziphone or gunlock or anything like that !"Both tools are undergoing intensive developing and soon will be ready for public consumption." (says so on http://iphone-dev.org/news:pwnage ). That doesn't sound like "after the official launch of 2.0". And since they have described exactly what the security hole is, waiting doesn't make sense. So it's just a matter of the development of the iPwner and IPSW Builder.

Anyway, the restore to 1.1.4 and iPlus procedure really isn't that much work, so you better go ahead...

[donky]

fuck flash.

DO NOT WANTwhy?>>????

[tassador]

Yeah, why smbd. would not want flash support on the iphone?

[Lush78]

i think flash on the iphone would be great, since most of the videos on the internet use flash... plus a lot of websites use flash for navigating menus and such...

[Ashmodai]

Adobe CEO announced that they are developing flash for the iphone today or yesterday (cannot remember when I read the news :P) so ...
Quite strange still since the SDK license is not allowing any development that interacts with Safari :-) Maybe it will be on Installer and not AppStore lol

[rajeevsharma8888]

the restore to 1.1.4 and iPlus procedure really isn't that much work, so you better go ahead...

actually I'm worried about downloading all the themes, apps etc again, that'll be hell of a job on a 256K connection !

[Jim Danner]

actually I'm worried about downloading all the themes, apps etc again, that'll be hell of a job on a 256K connection !I'd definitely backup the themes. Apps perhaps too, though that's a bit more difficult when they're from Installer.

Use iNdependence (Mac), iPhoneBrowser or iPhoneList (Windows) and look in /var/root/Library/SummerBoard/Themes or somewhere around there; you should be able to copy the themes to your computer. They may even have a built-in backup function.

[donky]

cant anyone make a flash and ww can install via installer?

[shinishi_kudo]

any tutorial for change the apple logo for the "pwned" logo?

[rajeevsharma8888]

So, should i go with iplus, !
'coz i don't wanna download 160MB firmware file again and again,
as in, first from apple, and then from pwned !

if i copy the themes, and then paste them back in 1.1.4, will they show in installer as already installed !
and what about the apps, and games !

[Jim Danner]

So, should i go with iplus, !
'coz i don't wanna download 160MB firmware file again and again,
as in, first from apple, and then from pwned !

if i copy the themes, and then paste them back in 1.1.4, will they show in installer as already installed !
and what about the apps, and games !They won't show as installed. But they will be there and can be used.
It all depends on how much you like playing with your phone. No-one really needs pwned firmware, we would all like to have it for fun. We don't know when it will be there. You'll have to make up your mind yourself...

[Ashmodai]

Guys i start to be seriously depressed by the devteam very bad habit to announce, announce and never release... They don t have to that s clear ... But then why teasing us like this :-(

[Lush78]

Guys i start to be seriously depressed by the devteam very bad habit to announce, announce and never release... They don t have to that s clear ... But then why teasing us like this :-(

they will wait until firmware 2.0 is released... there is no point in compromising the exploit that is used when all current firmwares can be activated, jailbroken, and unlocked... it will be well worth the wait...

[lolof]

Dev team has already well detailled how they do with this exploit!
So, what now???? Apple already know how they have done this.
What for now ? waiting 2.0 then after 2.1 then after 2.2.... like tom and jerry project ?????
I do not undersatand, devteam benefit from the community, receive firmware(ex:the1.2 one), dump(ex:BL4.6) etc from other people. But they are themselve difficulty with sharing things!
We, end users, have alway to wait the final solution from other people (geohot, zibri, nate true,....)
We only benefit from the desagrement within the devteam......
Without Zibri (that I do not like), nate true, were would be the endusers like most of us now (alway on 1.1.1???????).
Anounce, announce and till announce... Powder in eyes... Sorry.
But, we are in a democratic world where people decide to share or not.....
Maybe, we have again to wait that someone from within the devteam leak this new project for us...
Since the old anysim, the devteam has no really give us a tool (made by the devteam). It always must come from outside the devteam or desagrement from them, funny.......

[Jim Danner]

they will wait until firmware 2.0 is released... there is no point in compromising the exploit that is used when all current firmwares can be activated, jailbroken, and unlocked... it will be well worth the wait...Do you have any quote from the dev team, or any other good reason to believe this?

Again, if you had read the page where the Dev team announced this, you'd know that they have posted full details of the exploit -- so Apple knows what it is already. There's absolutely no need to wait for any release. So unless you can give some meaningful reason to believe otherwise, I think we may assume they are just finalizing the tools and will release them as soon as they are ready.

[lolof]

As I wrote in my previous post, they probably wait that someone steal the poject and published it and takes credit for it as it happened already in the past :-) :-)
they loved to be stollen and mystery :-)

[fallenczar]

@ rajeevsharma8888 from what i understand you can be sure of the fact that there will be no pwned firmware image released. :)
instead a tool will be released that will let you make pwned firmware.
why? it is illegal to distribute any apple software without apple's consent.

@lolof - if you read the dev-teams release you will understand why this is "mother of all exploits" ; and you will also see why this hole is if not impossible then very difficult/risky for apple to fix.

as for why did they make the info public -
the dev team is a bunch of ethical hackers, as opposed to crack/keygen/serial pirates.
it is there moral if not legal obligation to detail the exploit to give apple a fair chance to fix the hole.
and if i'm not wrong it also provides them some legal protection against lawsuites

[Dave]

talk talk talk
Maybe the Dev's would give is some info when tere are PLANING to release it

[linusmax]

>We, end users, have alway to wait the final solution from other people (geohot, >zibri, nate true,....)
>We only benefit from the desagrement within the devteam......

I Agree 100% ! The problem is just it. In this forum there is only end user. Th Big Boss not share nothing during the development step. Is very little person not great. The great people sharing the work with the community. Only GeoHot sharing on blog with more information about the work.

This is not are community.
Bye

[Ashmodai]

Guys, I did not want to start any flaming sessions against anybody. These guys are for sure very good hackers and I fully respect that. They also, as I mentionned in my post, do not HAVE TO release anything. But if you go and read other threads in that forum (typically the ones where devteam members verbal fights with zibri lol) you will see that they seem to love and keep whatever they find for themselves .... It is very sad to see that indeed all last devteam releases where made by others or former members (like zibri, geohot, ...)

Waiting for the next firmware to be released does not make any sence ... they will ALWAYS be a next firmware adding cool features ... that's just the way Apple does it exactly for this reason : keep an advantage over the 'unlocked iphones community' lets say.

In fact I will correct myself : the devteam are a bunch of very talented software developers but no hackers. A hacker is someone who loves challenges. A real hacker is always publishing his work and not seeking any money for this (even often no public recognition). It is just for the fun and the pleasure to know that you are better than any developer of the company you attack :D

Ok, now you can flame me if you feel to ;)

[Jim Danner]

It is very sad to see that indeed all last devteam releases where made by others or former members (like zibri, geohot, ...)Have to correct you there: what Geohot released was not a Dev team release; they had no part in it, he found the unlock by himself.

But I share your observation that the dev team is remarkably uncommunicative about release dates.

[lolof]

@fallenczar

You wrote:

as for why did they make the info public -
the dev team is a bunch of ethical hackers, as opposed to crack/keygen/serial pirates.
it is there moral if not legal obligation to detail the exploit to give apple a fair chance to fix the hole.
and if i'm not wrong it also provides them some legal protection against lawsuites

I hope you are joking. All people who follows the forum perfectly knows for exemple that the soft upgrade was an alternative to a full jailbreak system (non hybride one).
They alreday have a solution for a true jailbreak but they give us instead the soft upgrade to preserve the exploit (for the true jailbreak) on the next firmware. Remember ??????
So, now telling that they could probably give a chance at apple to close the hole publishing the powned note is a big joke... It was never the case in the past and I am sure that they do not want to give chance at apple to fix the exploit.
Knowing that this exploit is almost impossible to fix (in Iphone 1, surely fixed in the future new comming iphone II :-) ), they probably want attention from apple as other people already tried, who knows, maybe cells this exploit to apple. Receive money to keep silence and not realising things, have job or other things, I do not know..... I only see this as for many months nothing is coming from the devteam himself. It is strange. Here I hope I am wrong with this. The last things they have done is the 3.9fakeblank BL, but it was mainly done to stop zibri, it is the feeling I had reading the forum. But was and is great things....
But I agree with all people, devteam have done and do great job, and have many helped people, but maybe not the good one. They have probably many helped Nate, Zibri and other guys. But finally, the end users like I am, are more helped by gehoto and the desagrement results from the devteam...... It is a pity but it is the reallity of the iphone scene.
Maybe, again someoneelse will appear with a pwned like hack before devteam realise to public, would be funny to see the same story as before again.... They could again lose credits and donations as it is the case for now............

For me, it is also funny to see that member of devteam can write in forum to ask us who has already the 1.2 beta/2.0 firmware, but cannot give themselve approximative information about realising date, difficulty they have, or whatever, in fact sharing..... It is one way direction for now :-)

[MuscleNerd]

Please realize that the dual-boot jailbreak method was released by the Dev Team on March 12 -- not even two weeks ago. And it was released even though the ramdisk method is currently exploitable. And dual-boot jailbreak survives 1.2.0 beta, as opposed to the ramdisk method. And people are starting to use dual-boot in more automated packages.

NerveGas does a good job explaining exactly what each step is doing. And the wiki also has a log of an actual session during which the jailbreak is performed.

http://iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:dualboot

[Ashmodai]

Please realize that the dual-boot jailbreak method was released by the Dev Team on March 12 -- not even two weeks ago. And it was released even though the ramdisk method is currently exploitable. And dual-boot jailbreak survives 1.2.0 beta, as opposed to the ramdisk method. And people are starting to use dual-boot in more automated packages.

NerveGas does a good job explaining exactly what each step is doing. And the wiki also has a log of an actual session during which the jailbreak is performed.

http://iphone-dev.org/s5l8900:dualboot

You are fully right. This is a very nice knowledge demo even if this one could have been kept secret since it is more of a "hacking tool" than anything usefull for final iphone users :D Ok I know, I am not fair, I keep complaining about you guys not releasing anything and now I tell you you could have kept that one hidden :rolleyes:

More seriously, my understanding is also that you mainly released that one because it is the last thing Zibri had access to before being kicked off and you did not want to let him again publish your work and get credits (bad zibri :D)

So please release !!!! give us all a nice 1.2beta pwned image installable with itunes :D I don't believe you actually need only 50% of the time you take to "finalize" and test your package. Zibri is not there anymore so your code should be almost bug free since day 1

PS: I still personally enjoyed the reading about the dual boot

[rajeevsharma8888]

anyway to backup and copy and re-use the apps, while upgradinv the fw.
what about the release date of fw 1.2 pwned !

[madrich]

anyway to backup and copy and re-use the apps, while upgradinv the fw.
what about the release date of fw 1.2 pwned !

You should delete all apps before updating; including the installer. Some of your apps may not be compatible with the new FW, so you will have get new ones.

Do you have a crystal ball? Look into it for two days straight and it will give you the release date of FW 1.2 pwned.

[lolof]

iphoneatlas.com/2008/03/26/iphone-os-20-may-leak-publicly-soon/

Will this be possible to use with dual boot os method?

Seems very good if this is true....

[zetsurin]

Quick question about pwned and apologies if it has been asked before, as this thread is rather long now! But can anyone in the know indicate whether a 4.6bl phone would be able to use an pwned IPSW, while still retaining the 4.6bl? including sim unlock? Just want to know for sure as if that is the case I won't bother downgrading to 3.9fb and just wait until this bad boy drops. :D

[ChronicProductions]

The baseband bootloader is irrelevant zetsurin.

Guys, there is some confusion. THERE IS NO RELEASE OF A 1.2 PWNED IPSW. Only a release of Pwnage that will include the ability to hack 1.2 (or 2.0, which was leaked today) IPSWs, for the sole purpose of people in the $99 dev program being able to jailbreak, not so that you can get a leak and hack that. Nobody even knows if it will leak, I bet that every member of the 99$ dev program is too afriad that they will loose their membership to leak the fw, so don't give your hopes up...

[Cocchiararo]

(or 2.0, which was leaked today)

wtf ? didnt heard about that :*

[zetsurin]

I bet that every member of the 99$ dev program is too afriad that they will loose their membership to leak the fw, so don't give your hopes up...

Mind you, the Leopard pre-release was released onto the torrent sites within hours of being issued at last year's WWDC, will likely be a similar scenario here. The more people who are accepted, the more chance there is of it being released to channels out of Apple's control. I'm sure there are numbers of people who signed up with the express desire to leak it out. It's not hard to sign up for things anonymously, what with the availability of anonymous pre-paid mastercards and such (eg. IDT Prime).

[NintendoLinky]

pwnage video

[Spinstorm]

Video of it in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siuKQw6L6Rk&eurl=http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/29/video-of-the-iphone-pwned-project-in-action/

Engadget Article:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/29/video-of-the-iphone-pwned-project-in-action/

[Spinstorm]

I really want to know more about what the BootNeuter does?

It has tabs for 3.9 and 4.6 Bootloaders, whether the neuter is on or off and whether fake blank is on or off and then it shows the bootloader being flashed?!

What does this mean to those of us with existing stock and fake blank bootloaders? what does the bootneuter do? why was it flashing the bootloader?

and other questions:

Do we have to have an unlocked using iPlus/ZiPhone etc baseband before we run this?

And what does this do to iPhoneSIMFree unlocks? does it work with them? will it cause issues?

[falcon212]

ahahah big fake omg


this can be done in 3 ways:

- after effects

- with the chinese iphone

- replacing the recovery mode picture with anything else through SSH


pretty noobnow im laughing on this !! haha now whos the noob? YOU kiwi !!

[younesmaia]

The best about this is that you can make your iPhone run any IPSW at will. So, when a new firmware comes out, just run it thru Pwned first, which will patch it so it will be unlocked, activated and jailbroken. Even if apple decides to "query" the bootloader (check to see if it will accept an invalid secpack), that can be patched out too (obviously, by a version of Pwned that supports that update version). In my opinion, it´s the ultimate hack, should support every version from now on and we can say goodbye to all those no-wifi issues.

And we don´t need to waste a lot of time trying to find out how to jailbreak firmwares anymore. Using a dual-boot phone, the guys at the dev-team can boot every new firmware that Apple releases, find out where to patch, and release a version of Pwned to deal with the locks. Even if the Ramdisk hole is fixed (which I doubt anytime soon), we´ll be able to continue upgrading. (Of course, we´ll either need to find solutions to new phones, which will come out on new software versions, or downgrade them in order to Pwn them).



<-- Did I helped you out? I knew it!!! Give me a thumbs up!

[fallenczar]

Using a dual-boot phone, the guys at the dev-team can boot every new firmware that Apple releases, find out where to patch, and release a version of Pwned to deal with the locks.
apple has already started patching that hole.
expect the coming firmwares to completely patch that.
Even if the Ramdisk hole is fixed (which I doubt anytime soon)
as reported by various dev team members , the ramdisk exploit has been fixed

[ikuwara]

two thumbs up for younesmaia and dev team!!!!

way to go!!!

[Xserve2]

Here's a link to the original video - much better quality the the YouTube offerings:
pwnage video (http://xs1.iphwn.org/video_assets/pwnage_present_eng_web.mp4)

[faruk]

My biggiest question is, does this mean can we change the ZiPhoned BB BL that downgraded to 3.9 can be upgraded to 4.6 or are these BB BL FakeBlanks?

And can we not have those PWNED images and easter eggs?

I would like my iPhone startup or other images stay the same... I wouldn't like the old apple logo, and the PWNED screen on my iPhone. And ofcourse that RECOVERY mode easter egg... I hope those are optioned...

[bretth7377]

One question here:
If we downgraded to the 3.9FB BL, can we use this or do we have to restore to the original 4.6BL before we use this tool?

[libertybenz2]

One question here:
If we downgraded to the 3.9FB BL, can we use this or do we have to restore to the original 4.6BL before we use this tool?

I would, just to be on the safe side ya dig? I mean i dont think dev team would release something potentially harmful, but just be careful because you don't know if fakeblank is supported. So just be careful.

Benz

[ryanmct]

I just have one question. Will this be just like any other jailbreak/activate/unlock method where you can just restore the phone to put back all locks, and restore to factory setting? Would it be permanent, because of the nature of the pwnage methods?

[younesmaia]

apple has already started patching that hole.
expect the coming firmwares to completely patch that.

as reported by various dev team members , the ramdisk exploit has been fixed

Ok, I was off on the Ramdisk thing, didn´t knew it was patched. But old firmware versions support dual-boot. It is impossible for Apple to prevent the IPSW to be eventualy dissasembled and then installed into a dual-boot capable iPhone running a, albeit old, firmware that supports that. Therefore, we´ll always be able to dual-boot any firmware.

[Lush78]

#IPHONE-DEV, IRC, Cyberspace. March 30, 2008

The expected release of the Mac OS X version of “PwnageTool” has been delayed until sometime next week.

Legal enquiries were made to the DevTeam about the validity and legality of the contents of the tools, we would like to stress that no third-party copyrighted software will ever be released by the DevTeam.

Also, initial feedback from Beta testers has indicated that a few small changes and additional features should be are being developed now.

Another major request from the Beta testers and demo viewers is that the team brings forward the release of the Windows version, with the feedback that has been received the team has decided to expedite the release of the Windows tool for a dual platform release sometime next week, iPod touch support will also be finalized.

The DevTeam would like to thank the users for being patient and wait for the upcoming release.

The video presentation that was released yesterday has been viewed over 100,000 times in 24 hours proving the overwhelming demand for the application.

To summarize :-

*
Pwnage Tool Application releases _sometime_ in the next week for Mac OS X 10.4.x, 10.5.x and Windows.

*
The tool contains revised logos and icons.

*
PwnageTool does NOT ship with any Apple licensed software, Intellectual Property, trademarks, logos or images.

*
As my Mother says “If you are going to be late, arrive with flowers”.

ENDS

[hazcona]

#IPHONE-DEV, IRC, Cyberspace. March 30, 2008

The expected release of the Mac OS X version of “PwnageTool” has been delayed until sometime next week.

Legal enquiries were made to the DevTeam about the validity and legality of the contents of the tools, we would like to stress that no third-party copyrighted software will ever be released by the DevTeam.

Also, initial feedback from Beta testers has indicated that a few small changes and additional features should be are being developed now.

Another major request from the Beta testers and demo viewers is that the team brings forward the release of the Windows version, with the feedback that has been received the team has decided to expedite the release of the Windows tool for a dual platform release sometime next week, iPod touch support will also be finalized.

The DevTeam would like to thank the users for being patient and wait for the upcoming release.

The video presentation that was released yesterday has been viewed over 100,000 times in 24 hours proving the overwhelming demand for the application.

To summarize :-

*
Pwnage Tool Application releases _sometime_ in the next week for Mac OS X 10.4.x, 10.5.x and Windows.

*
The tool contains revised logos and icons.

*
PwnageTool does NOT ship with any Apple licensed software, Intellectual Property, trademarks, logos or images.

*
As my Mother says “If you are going to be late, arrive with flowers”.

ENDS


one word...... AMEN

[toyanucci]

Quick question:

I see on the pawnage video that there is an option to upgrae from 3.9 to 4.6, will this work with all 3.9 phones?

Premature I know, but want to know your thoughts.

[Spinstorm]

It seems to me that the use of that cool coloured Apple logo may have got the devteam into some bother with Apple!

If you look at their page now the logo for the tool is a pineapple!

How about you use a picture of the iPhone instead? come on! a pineapple!?

Anyway it seems that you may get the stock silver apple logo as they cannot use any fancy apple logos that are not already on the phone!

I also hope that they are going to include installer and all the various apps that are neccessary to use it as otherwise we would all end up having to SSH installer onto the phone which considering iLiberty and ZiPhone do it in one go would seem a bit backwards in so far as 3rd party apps are concerned!

I just hope "sometime" next week is middle of the week (ie, Wed) and not next Sunday!

As for the bootloader question!? I wish the devteam would tell us what happens to our existing bootloaders etc as that is the most mysterious part of the process...

We don't know if that BootNeuter app lets you reflash 3.9 or only go from 4.6 to 3.9FB and back again or what the actual "neuter" is or does without guesing! I wish they would explain!

[redshoepaul]

Quick question:

I see on the pawnage video that there is an option to upgrae from 3.9 to 4.6, will this work with all 3.9 phones?

Premature I know, but want to know your thoughts.

I think only OTB for now. All OTB iPhones are 4.6, so technically you're night, and you'll be able to downgrade and upgrade whenever.

[Killian]

guys i have quick questions

do we need to use patched ipsw ? or when i do this pwed can i use a regular ipsw and it will be unlocked ? or do i hv to wait and get on ipsw pre-patched to use ? because now is possible to use a patched ipsw because we are using pwed tool.

And i saw this 3.9/4.6 selector, is it possible to use if i have 3.9BL ?

[Spinstorm]

None of us here (unless the devteam offer some information) know what the bootneuter does.

We don't know if its possible to flash 3.9 original up to 4.6 or even 3.9FB up to 4.6 using it.

We don't know what exactly "BootNeuter" even is!

It seems the screen shows the bootloader type, whether FB is on or off, whether it is neutered or not and if the baseband in unlocked.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2008/03/3-28-08-bootneuter.jpg

The video shows 4.6 being flashed but it doesn't show if it was always a 4.6 or not! So who knows?

One thing I do know is that:

The custom firmware CAN ONLY be installed once the phone is pwned.

In theory this would allow someone to put pre-patched firmware online for anyone with a pwned phone to download but in practice that may be illegal and any sites that do that may get taken down before anyone even gets going downloading!

This is why the IPSW patcher patches it for you. You download the original firmware and the pwner tool removes the lock and activates and jailbreaks (and possibly uploads certains apps to) the phone.

I would guess the idea is that as soon as new firmware is out we can download it and let the pwn tool patch the firmware and install it without having to wait for a new jailbreak or unlock method because the tool does it to every firmware from 1.1.3 and every possible firmware in the future.

BUT there is so much we DO NOT know so we will have to wait and see!

[Cocchiararo]

It seems to me that the use of that cool coloured Apple logo may have got the devteam into some bother with Apple!

If you look at their page now the logo for the tool is a pineapple!

How about you use a picture of the iPhone instead? come on! a pineapple!?

Anyway it seems that you may get the stock silver apple logo as they cannot use any fancy apple logos that are not already on the phone!

I also hope that they are going to include installer and all the various apps that are neccessary to use it as otherwise we would all end up having to SSH installer onto the phone which considering iLiberty and ZiPhone do it in one go would seem a bit backwards in so far as 3rd party apps are concerned!

I just hope "sometime" next week is middle of the week (ie, Wed) and not next Sunday!

As for the bootloader question!? I wish the devteam would tell us what happens to our existing bootloaders etc as that is the most mysterious part of the process...

We don't know if that BootNeuter app lets you reflash 3.9 or only go from 4.6 to 3.9FB and back again or what the actual "neuter" is or does without guesing! I wish they would explain!

a pic of the iphone would be ilegal too (if you dont believem e, ask the author of iano :P )

[Spinstorm]

well maybe some cool logo instead but really - A pineapple? lol come on they can do better!

[Spinstorm]

I just watched the video again...

I noticed it says

"your about to flash your bootloader to be 4.6 neutered"

It then flashes the bootloader and baseband and starts up.

This seems to suggest that the bootloader has to be flashed to neuter it - whatever that means.

But as far as we know we CAN'T FLASH 3.9 ORIGINAL!?!?!

So either this will ONLY work for those with flashable bootloaders, ie, 3.9FB, 4.6, 4.6 FB

OR

There is now a way to flash the 3.9 bootloader and undo that change which is permanent as far as we know!

So which is it? Are those of us on original iPhones unable to ever use Pwned and be unable to jailbreak/unlock future firmwares? or have they found a method to "play" with the 3.9 bootloader?:eek:

Also as it uses the ramdisk exploit to "pwn" the phone initially and we know 2.0 has that exploit fixed - that means that new iPhones from June would have to be downgraded to 1.1.4 BEFORE the pwnage tool could be used IF that is even possible!

[compuguy1088]

well maybe some cool logo instead but really - A pineapple? lol come on they can do better!

For all we know...the dev team may like the TV show Psych (There is a in show joke about pineapples appearing in various episodes). Just a thought...:D

[MuscleNerd]

Pwnage will let you pick your own logo if you so desire, or you can have it not change the logo at all. But anything other than the silver apple is a good reminder that your iPhone is still pwned.

And remember, it's all reversible. Restoring to an official Apple ipsw will bring back the silver apple, should you need service.

[marko.m]

I've uncocked my Iphone OTB 1.1.3 with Iplus ,
SO NOW IS 1.1.4 WITH 3.6BL
now I want to use Pwned metod
how can I do it
and one other thing let say I don't want to use installer ,or I want to use it with fakeBSD can I do it ?

thanks

[Otaviano_09]

I can't wait for this to arrive, finally going to go from 1.1.2 TurboSIM to 1.1.4 completely unlocked.

[Spinstorm]

@MuscleNerd

what happens to the bootloaders? what is neutering? can we flash stock 3.9 and FB versions as well?

Thanks

[nash_d]

fellas, looks like bad news:

http://iphone-dev.org/

[Sproglet]

Look at the date nash_d......

Not saying it definately is an April Fools joke but here's hopeing :)

[Spinstorm]

lol Your all so gullible!

[ChronicProductions]

BN does work on 3.9. I have tried and it works perfectly.