[1.1.2 OTB] Software Unlock - Motivation Effort for Devs

[clinkclink]

Guys, yeah, I know, everyone is sick and tired of waiting for this unlock, and many (speculators) say that it can't be done and get irritated by the suggestion (pricks). Bullshit! Anything can be reverse engineered. Anything.

And yes, we all know about the hardware unlocks, and the crappySIM products, but most people are averse to trying the hardware method or buying those shitty sim proxy gizmos. I have done four hardware unlocks with great success but they are tedious to perform. Also, once your iPhone has been opened it will never be as good as original, no matter what you do. This is saddening for many people who take care and pride with their belongings, many of whom had to save up hard earned cash to buy them in the first place and cannot afford to fuck around with it.

Anyway, since I definitely don't have the aptitude to crack the 4.6 bootloader, I have another idea. Let's motivate those who can do it.

I am assuming that there must be between 150,000 - 200,000 1.1.2 locked iPhones globally. I for one, have 318 units that are sitting down for the last 2 months waiting to be unlocked and sold. Yes, I sell them, I make money, there is no sin in that OK (I say this to self-righteous pricks here, that behave like making money is some kind of evil).

Anyway the point is that the devs seem to be kind of tired with the prospect of cracking the 4.6 bootloader. Can't say I blame them either, and God knows how hard they must have tried with it. But I don't believe all is lost, it can be done. They need to be motivated. They should be able able to look forward to some kind of reward for the task.

Anyway the point is this; I wouldn't mind paying $20 for each software unlock and I will make a pledge to that. If 10000 people pledge the same then that's 200k for the devs. Good motivation I think. So how about they give us a realistic timeline, say 2 weeks, and start taking names. The money could be substantial for them and they would deserve it.

Yeah, yeah, I know this may seem kind of utopian, but there are enough people out there who would pay the $20 unlock fee (yes, fee, not donation there's nothing wrong with profit, unless maybe you're a commie or a hippy).

If the devs feel they can do it with this kind of motivation, then let me know, we can set up a portal for the pledges, get the word out, and then start taking names.

1.1.2 OTB unlock - this is where the glory lies, this is where the money can be made. So who's interested?

Now come on, start flaming me.

[veniex]

Great post...there's nothing to flame here IMHO. :D

[gau]

Here is an added suggestion for the dev team....you can created a paypal account and after people pay the $20, you give them a code (which will tie into the jailbreak/unlock process) for jailbreak/unlock.

[jawnsixteen]

we honestly need the 1.1.2 OTB unlock, it would mean so much

[BeRZiKeR]

$20 are nothing for a 1.1.2 OTB sw unlock, great idea :D

[controversialfigure]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the goal of the original dev team unlock to create a free unlock solution to combat IPSF? Doesn't it also say in the forum that they won't charge for the software that they produce?
If you start to charge $20 for the unlock solution then essentially it becomes the same as IPSF.

And no, I'm not a communist or a hippie, I just happen to understand that money cannot buy everything and throwing money at a problem won't solve it or make it go away.

HTH,

Ash

[Stiggy]

I´m in!
The paypal idea is excellent by the way

[Dragonslayers]

I would think there are plenty of people here that would pay for a software unlock yes I would be one of them. As you say motivation but the dev team are working on the 1.1.3 unlock. And maybe this will be a solution for the 1.1.2 aswel. if it is a solution for both then it would still be worth its weight in gold paying for the software solution.

Trouble is there a lot of sites out there that ask for donations but they are not delivering. thats more than we can say for here loads of work and progress
moving on this forum.

£20.00 or even $ is hardly anything to pay especially when you think how much the sim solutions cost..

Some sites seem to be ripping you of

I beleive this is the best source on the net for info and unlock solutions.
why dont we just add our name to a post to see who would be willing to donate for finding a solution.
keep up the good work.

[gau]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the goal of the original dev team unlock to create a free unlock solution to combat IPSF? Doesn't it also say in the forum that they won't charge for the software that they produce?
If you start to charge $20 for the unlock solution then essentially it becomes the same as IPSF.

And no, I'm not a communist or a hippie, I just happen to understand that money cannot buy everything and throwing money at a problem won't solve it or make it go away.

HTH,

Ash


I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you. Money will not buy everything, but we are all human being and money does motivated people. And the topic of this post is 'Motivation Effort for Devs team'.

[xman958]

It has been long time.
I think Apple won the game.

[Marc539]

I too have done hardware unlock quite a few times and I agree, the shit isn't fun after a while. If money will be a motivating factory, I'd gladly buy a solution for software unlock. Agreed, you can't throw money at all problems, but when lack of money is a problem, being thrown money is nice. So let's get to work fella's we all have to eat right? :D

[clinkclink]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the goal of the original dev team unlock to create a free unlock solution to combat IPSF? Doesn't it also say in the forum that they won't charge for the software that they produce?
If you start to charge $20 for the unlock solution then essentially it becomes the same as IPSF.

And no, I'm not a communist or a hippie, I just happen to understand that money cannot buy everything and throwing money at a problem won't solve it or make it go away.

HTH,

Ash

Wow! you are a controversial figure aren't you.:D

Well, let's review our options so far:

1) The poor sods who are sitting with locked iPhones can attempt the hardware unlock, which for most is not an option since they lack the skills or balls to do it, or purely can't afford to put their beloved iPhone at risk.

2) They can buy a crappySIM which is now risky due to the flood of cheap clones in the market which are marketed by cheap cloners. Some of these items become defunct in time, and some do not work with certain carriers. Also, they are expensive and the good ones are never in stock anyway. Besides, these are not true unlock solutions.

3) They can sit with a fancy iPod touch and drool at the phone icon till God knows when.

4) They can keep dreaming of one day getting a software unlock for free.

5) They can reason that maybe $20 is not such a bad price to pay for a software unlocked iPhone with no scratches, stress marks, or worse still, kinks on their iPhone.

Look here, reason with me. IPSF was a $50 solution, a bit stiff really. The cheapest crappySIM is $20. The cost of replacing your iPhone rear cover is $50. Nobody is interested in putting so much of their time into a software unlock for 1.1.2 OTB phones anymore. Why? Because they are fed up with it, and they have moved on. Maybe the prospect of making some cash will motivate some of the bright sparks in this community. There is nothing wrong with that. The idea of their work being 'donated' to this community, a free effort, is very noble, I admire that kind of spirit. But hey, it costs money to live, and neither you or I gives a realistic fuck about these poor guys doing this work for free.

At $20 these guys would still be doing us a great favour, believe me, everyone would still have the same kind of gratitude.

Let's be pragmatic here, if you can afford a $400 phone, then you can afford an extra $20. But then again there are plenty of cheapskates out there who want everything for free.

I for one, am not!

And by the way 'Mr. I live in the 60's', the world is a different animal today. Money may not be the answer to every problem, but it sure solves more problems than no money.:D

[SaCH]

You don't know what a real hacker looks like? None of you were a Hacker once, or knew one for that matter?

Hackers are not mercenaries. A real hacker knows its goals and go for them. A real hacker works in areas where he knows there is knowledge and challenge. The real hackers hate those who take everything to a money level. Hacker do have "real" works for which they expect money, as all of us, but hackering is another thing completely different.

You really believe this is the way to motivate Dev Team, then you are deeply wrong. Dev Team has a code. Instead of offending them with this post, you should've found out about it!

I leave with you Steven Levy's compendium to Hacker Ethics:
In Levy's codification, the principles of the hacker ethic are:

Access to computers — and anything which might teach you something about the way the world works — should be unlimited and total. Always yield to the Hands-on Imperative!
All information should be free.
Mistrust authority — promote decentralization.
Hackers should be judged by their hacking, not bogus criteria such as degrees, age, race, or position.
You can create art and beauty on a computer.
Computers can change your life for the better.


Please stop with this. Every day since 1.1.2 arised, the question has been there, Dev Team and others have pointed out the difficulties and how they are working on it. Yes, they are, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. But they must go on with other achievements, as important as 1.1.2 OOB Unlock.

I have an original 1.1.2 BL4.6, and I'm glad to have JB 1.1.3 and to know that sooner or later it will be complete with phone capabilities. The right people in the world is working on this, just because of the pride and admiration.

You want to pay for the work? Donate before and support the cause. I promise you Dev Team, as hackers they are, will use your money correctly and eventually you will get what you wanted.

You don't believe it, there is the http://11246unlock.com/ website to motivate the money hunters.

Free the world!

[ginsters]

There will be no 1.1.2 OTB software unlock
I'd bet Steve jobs glasses and black t shirt on it

[bimmerme]

It has been long time.
I think Apple won the game.

That's right! If *teams could unlock it, it woulda been done by now.

[clinkclink]

You don't know what a real hacker looks like? None of you were a Hacker once, or knew one for that matter?

Hackers are not mercenaries. A real hacker knows its goals and go for them. A real hacker works in areas where he knows there is knowledge and challenge. The real hackers hate those who take everything to a money level. Hacker do have "real" works for which they expect money, as all of us, but hackering is another thing completely different.

You really believe this is the way to motivate Dev Team, then you are deeply wrong. Dev Team has a code. Instead of offending them with this post, you should've found out about it!

I leave with you Steven Levy's compendium to Hacker Ethics:


Please stop with this. Every day since 1.1.2 arised, the question has been there, Dev Team and others have pointed out the difficulties and how they are working on it. Yes, they are, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. But they must go on with other achievements, as important as 1.1.2 OOB Unlock.

I have an original 1.1.2 BL4.6, and I'm glad to have JB 1.1.3 and to know that sooner or later it will be complete with phone capabilities. The right people in the world is working on this, just because of the pride and admiration.

You want to pay for the work, donate before and support the cause. I promise you Dev Team, as hackers they are, will use your money correctly and eventually you will get what you wanted.

Free the world!


How contradictory those first words are. If you knew the definition of hacker then you would realise that 90% of the people on these forums are hackers dude.



Some clarification from the Hacker Dictionary:

hacker: [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] n. 1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming. 3. A person capable of appreciating hack value. 4. A person who is good at programming quickly. 5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it; as in `a UNIX hacker'. (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them congregate.) 6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example. 7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence `password hacker', `network hacker'.


Besides, many of the Devs will probably not consider or refer to themselves as hackers anyway. And, who gives a fuck about some geeky journalists notion about hacker ideals anyway? Certainly not the hackers, that's for sure.

Also, I don't think that hackers would agree with, or like, your stereotyping of them. There's no secret cult out there like the way you make it sound.

Come out of your shell and get real dude. Nobody's buying your bullshit. What they will buy though is 1.1.2 software unlock for $20.:D

[n350z]

It was never going to be easy to work a Sim unlock on 4.6BL

Sam... said from day1 that all the back doors they used had been closed expect for a few unknowns that needed a newer specpak to explore

I wouldn't say it will not ever happen because it only takes one wiz Hacker to see something every one else can't see right now.

Thats the great thing about this site everyday new people get involved and contribute towards the end goal.

[clinkclink]

There will be no 1.1.2 OTB software unlock
I'd bet Steve jobs glasses and black t shirt on it

I'll take that bet for Bill Gates glasses and his 'my mother knitted it' woolly jersey.:D

[SaCH]

Some clarification from the Hacker Dictionary:

hacker: [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] n. 1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming. 3. A person capable of appreciating hack value. 4. A person who is good at programming quickly. 5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it; as in `a UNIX hacker'. (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them congregate.) 6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example. 7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence `password hacker', `network hacker'.

You are in the other fence, away from hacking, that's for sure.

You don't get it, right? That's probably because you always bought everything "prepared".

If you want your idea to see any light, I have to say you are late:
http://11246unlock.com/

:cool:

[artco]

hi guys, i'd be verry happy with the 20 $ fee, you knouw how much money people charge in Romania to jailbreak/activate and put a shity x sim???? exactly 120$ !!! i'm tired of heaving a very expensive piece of "furniture" and just look at it:(

[maXimus1]

Here are my thoughts:

1) The 'new' Dev team is uninterested in unlocking 4.6 now. This is why it will never happen.
2) No one on the team wants to admit that it can't be done.
3) I would be thrilled if it happened and am willing to pay $20, $30, $50.... whatever it takes. :D

[albornozg]

Count me in, I will pay if i going to see a soft unlock for 4.6 soon

[MSiqueira]

You don't know what a real hacker looks like? None of you were a Hacker once, or knew one for that matter?

Hackers are not mercenaries. A real hacker knows its goals and go for them. A real hacker works in areas where he knows there is knowledge and challenge. The real hackers hate those who take everything to a money level. Hacker do have "real" works for which they expect money, as all of us, but hackering is another thing completely different.

You really believe this is the way to motivate Dev Team, then you are deeply wrong. Dev Team has a code. Instead of offending them with this post, you should've found out about it!

I leave with you Steven Levy's compendium to Hacker Ethics:


Please stop with this. Every day since 1.1.2 arised, the question has been there, Dev Team and others have pointed out the difficulties and how they are working on it. Yes, they are, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. But they must go on with other achievements, as important as 1.1.2 OOB Unlock.

I have an original 1.1.2 BL4.6, and I'm glad to have JB 1.1.3 and to know that sooner or later it will be complete with phone capabilities. The right people in the world is working on this, just because of the pride and admiration.

You want to pay for the work? Donate before and support the cause. I promise you Dev Team, as hackers they are, will use your money correctly and eventually you will get what you wanted.

You don't believe it, there is the http://11246unlock.com/ website to motivate the money hunters.

Free the world!

Enough said...


@clinkclink:

Want to donate (or give them some bucks, whatever the name you use)? Do it for yourself.

Want to "motivate"*? Pay for good when the IPSF team comes with 4.6 unlock solution, they have this kind of "motivation".
*(I'm really sure you missing the point here, too! MOTIVATION comes from inside, no money could buy motivation, go figure an google for yourself)

But please, don't try to mislead people judgement in regards of what dev team's work is all about, at least not without their permission...


(...and again - for all you people - sorry for this language, which probably couldn't even be called english.... :P )

[don527]

There doesnt seem to be a devteam anymore...
there are two elite teams

One without Zibri (smart choice IMO)
http://code.google.com/p/iphoneelite/

And Zibri's new Elite team combined with devteam members
http://www.iphone-elite.org/

http://zibree.blogspot.com/2008/02/iphone-elite.html

and both sites say they don't take $$$ so your idea wont work.

[ЀVÌ£ Ïñ Ðì§gû燎]

im in for the $20 fee, if u guys feel less motivated to put more effort into it, that is if u guys arent putting all ur effort.. or just tell us its IMPOSSIBLE to unlock, so we can stop hoping for it..

[controversialfigure]

Wow! you are a controversial figure aren't you.:D

Well, let's review our options so far:

1) The poor sods who are sitting with locked iPhones can attempt the hardware unlock, which for most is not an option since they lack the skills or balls to do it, or purely can't afford to put their beloved iPhone at risk.

2) They can buy a crappySIM which is now risky due to the flood of cheap clones in the market which are marketed by cheap cloners. Some of these items become defunct in time, and some do not work with certain carriers. Also, they are expensive and the good ones are never in stock anyway. Besides, these are not true unlock solutions.

3) They can sit with a fancy iPod touch and drool at the phone icon till God knows when.

4) They can keep dreaming of one day getting a software unlock for free.

5) They can reason that maybe $20 is not such a bad price to pay for a software unlocked iPhone with no scratches, stress marks, or worse still, kinks on their iPhone.

Look here, reason with me. IPSF was a $50 solution, a bit stiff really. The cheapest crappySIM is $20. The cost of replacing your iPhone rear cover is $50. Nobody is interested in putting so much of their time into a software unlock for 1.1.2 OTB phones anymore. Why? Because they are fed up with it, and they have moved on. Maybe the prospect of making some cash will motivate some of the bright sparks in this community. There is nothing wrong with that. The idea of their work being 'donated' to this community, a free effort, is very noble, I admire that kind of spirit. But hey, it costs money to live, and neither you or I gives a realistic fuck about these poor guys doing this work for free.

At $20 these guys would still be doing us a great favour, believe me, everyone would still have the same kind of gratitude.

Let's be pragmatic here, if you can afford a $400 phone, then you can afford an extra $20. But then again there are plenty of cheapskates out there who want everything for free.

I for one, am not!

And by the way 'Mr. I live in the 60's', the world is a different animal today. Money may not be the answer to every problem, but it sure solves more problems than no money.:D

I like to think of myself of more of a devil's advocate. The two are closely related though. :D

I agree with what you're saying and I think $20 is a very reasonable price (especially when you consider the alternatives). I didn't intend to cause an argument over it. Maybe you're right. After all, everyone appreciates a cash in hand.

The problem is though is that unless people can see progress then they will see it as a wasted endeavour. People won't want to pay money for a product that they may or may not get. If that's the situation then it could be argued that what you have is another donations pool that enables the work to continue.

Again, I'm merely playing devil's advocate here and that I've adopted a rather cynical approach. I realise and appreciate that the work is ongoing and there are new developments emerging. I do think that the iPhone should be free (and by that I mean free from the network restraints) and if $20 is what it costs then it's far better than signing up to a ludicrous contract or paying vast amounts for an official unlock.

As for being 'Mr. I live in the 60's', I'm afraid I'm not even old enough to remember the 60's.

Ash

[TwistyValhalla]

First of all I strongly believe that an unlock for 1.1.2 OTB will eventually be here. But I personally don't like resellers. They are basically selling the unlock solution which is meant to be free/donation based. No matter what you tell yourself, it's basically taking advantage of people.

[Number_41]

Most of these threads are started by people who have 500 iphones in their basement in some obscure location waiting on the unlock to sell it. :rolleyes:


Yes, money may be the root of some evil ( if not most), but this community is not devoted to the money aspect. It's more like glory.

N41

PS: If you have not connected the dots yet, There's no glory in money.

[cap33me]

Wold totaly Donation and or pay 20 dollars to have an 1.12 OTB software unlock ... So many of us are waiting, and while maybe chargin a fee for the unlock software is retarded, having everyone that can donate do so would seriously be alot of coin , and then u get the priceless glory ontop of it!

[NuKeZ]

There's no glory in money.


There isn't a more true statement than that my friend..well put

[Former Bender]

Guys, yeah, I know, i'm sick and tired of waiting for this unlock, and many (speculators) say that it can't be done and get irritated by the suggestion (pricks). Bullshit! Anything can be reverse engineered. Anything.

And yes, i know about the hardware unlocks, and the crappySIM products, but most people are averse to trying the hardware method or buying those shitty sim proxy gizmos. I have done four hardware unlocks with great success but they are tedious to perform. Also, once your iPhone has been opened it will never be as good as original, no matter what you do. This is saddening for me who take care and pride with my belongings, i save up hard earned cash to buy them in the first place and cannot afford to fuck around with it.

Anyway, since I definitely don't have the aptitude to crack the 4.6 bootloader, I have another idea. Let's motivate those who can do it.

I've adapted this to you as it sounds more realistic. :rolleyes:

I am assuming that there must be between 150,000 - 200,000 1.1.2 locked iPhones globally. I for one, have 318 units that are sitting down for the last 2 months waiting to be unlocked and sold. Yes, I sell them, I make money, there is no sin in that OK (I say this to self-righteous pricks here, that behave like making money is some kind of evil).

Now i know the reason of this thread.

Anyway the point is that the devs seem to be kind of tired with the prospect of cracking the 4.6 bootloader. Can't say I blame them either, and God knows how hard they must have tried with it. But I don't believe all is lost (and i'm stuck with my 318 phones), it can be done. They need to be motivated. They should be able able to look forward to some kind of reward for the task.

Anyway the point is this; I wouldn't mind paying $20 for each software unlock and I will make a pledge to that. If 10000 people pledge the same then that's 200k for the devs. Good motivation I think. So how about they give us a realistic timeline, say 2 weeks, and start taking names. The money could be substantial for them and they would deserve it.

Yeah, yeah, I know this may seem kind of utopian, but there are enough people out there who would pay the $20 unlock fee (yes, fee, not donation there's nothing wrong with profit, unless maybe you're a commie or a hippy).

If the devs feel they can do it with this kind of motivation, then let me know, we can set up a portal for the pledges, get the word out, and then start taking names.

1.1.2 OTB unlock - this is where the glory lies, this is where the money can be made. So who's interested?

Now come on, start flaming me.

You are totally ignorant on this community purpose.
Your post is an insult to the devteam as its only reason is your interest to get your money back+ profits whatever it takes.

Why don't you join the iPhone bounty or open a new one and put the 6360 bucks you are ready to pay for your phones to be unlocked ? ;)

[Number_41]

I for one cant believe he spent USD$126,882 on that..


seriously.
N41

[dandy0510]

I for one cant believe he spent USD$126,882 on that..


seriously.
N41


GOOD COMPUTATION THERE MATE. :D

[krimp]

ya even i doubt that he did spend that kind of money...

even if he did, i think if he would have invested it in some fund or sumthing would have made more money than unlocking iphones i feel.. or just sitting on them and hatching them... these guys deserve it for buying in bulk and depending on others to come up with solutions ...

he prob thought - ya! in a week or soo it will be unlocked." lmao

dude i know ur waiting for a solution..
believe me everyone is but to a true hacker money just means more equipment.. and since a hacker always almost has what he wants i dont think giving money would do anything but insult them

i live in new delhi india.. i have unlocked more than 500 iphones for FREE thats right for FREE... so believe me i know..

:)

[Hawkman]

Well done, XianLi, you score a point. But there are plenty of us who would just really like to get our phones unlocked because we hate the official carrier. (I had a £400 phone bill from O2 once, because of their ridiculously poor billing system). Noone seems to think looking for a 1.1.2 OTB software unlock is worth it... but wasn't it the IPSF unlock that really got things going the first time? Sadly there's no such motivating factor this time around.

I guess it seems unfair to be expecting a software unlock, because it's difficult and these guys aren't working for money (well, not all of them, anyway); but it was kinda promised. First it'd be possible, then it'd be possible as soon as 1.1.3 was out, then suddenly - impossible. I suspect a fair few people put their money on the line because of what was being said, and I know I'm pretty disappointed (and ~$540 poorer, damn these inflated UK prices).

Sorry, this has turned into a bit of a whiny post, and I'm not usually that guy. I guess, in summary, I'm behind any kind of motivating effort, whatever the OP's motives, because noone seems to care any more.

[clinkclink]

ya even i doubt that he did spend that kind of money...

even if he did, i think if he would have invested it in some fund or sumthing would have made more money than unlocking iphones i feel.. or just sitting on them and hatching them... these guys deserve it for buying in bulk and depending on others to come up with solutions ...

he prob thought - ya! in a week or soo it will be unlocked." lmao

- Yeah, like the other 150,000 idiots right.

dude i know ur waiting for a solution..
believe me everyone is but to a true hacker money just means more equipment.. and since a hacker always almost has what he wants i dont think giving money would do anything but insult them

- Grow up.

i live in new delhi india.. i have unlocked more than 500 iphones for FREE thats right for FREE... so believe me i know..

- Looks like Ghandi is still alive.

:)


Nobody is here to insult anyone on these forums, but to find a solution to their problems, that's all. At least i'm trying to motivate a group effort here for something that 'the people' are desperate for.

As I said, yes, I make money from iPhones, so sue me. At least I didn't try to hide it, i'm being honest here.

Also, in todays world money talks (to everyone), bottom line. If not then why didn't George Hotz donate his unlocked iPhone to the hackers museum instead of trading it for a Nissan 350z. And you know what, I bet he loves his car.

[pl_svn]

Anything can be reverse engineered. Anything.

... so just do it yourself or, using you money, find someone who will do it for you. But you know what? It won't be, for shure, any of the devs. You can't understand why, clinkclinkPRICK, can't you?


And yes, we all know about the hardware unlocks, and the crappySIM products,

... you'll better deal with someone who, like you, only thinks about making money abusing someone else's work and idea(l)s. Why not, clinkclinkPRICK, one of those crappySIM producers? You both share the same ideals!

Good luck!
(in the while find a good deal on lube for those... 318. Won't be easy without! :p)

[iMaso]

Most of these threads are started by people who have 500 iphones in their basement in some obscure location waiting on the unlock to sell it. :rolleyes:

and that is why this thread sucks.

[Former Bender]

but it was kinda promised. First it'd be possible, then it'd be possible as soon as 1.1.3 was out, then suddenly - impossible. I suspect a fair few people put their money on the line because of what was being said, and I know I'm pretty disappointed (and ~$540 poorer, damn these inflated UK prices).

Show me where it was ?
Looks like the gossip here has turned to reality for some people.

I've got a good advice for you > Don't expect anything until it is released.

[pl_svn]

I guess, in summary, I'm behind any kind of motivating effort, whatever the OP's motives, because noone seems to care any more.

Only people motivated by *their own* "urges" here.

Is really that hard to think there may (also) be strategical reasons for not releasing a 4.6 unlock? And, guess why? For *community's* sake! ;)

[clinkclink]

... so just do it yourself or, using you money, find someone who will do it for you. But you know what? It won't be, for shure, any of the devs. You can't understand why, clinkclinkPRICK, can't you?




... you'll better deal with someone who, like you, only thinks about making money abusing someone else's work and idea(l)s. Why not, clinkclinkPRICK, one of those crappySIM producers? You both share the same ideals!

Good luck!
(in the while find a good deal on lube for those... 318. Won't be easy without! - I don't get this. :confused: :p)

You should go get an education instead of wasting your time in these forums pl_svnPRICK:D

[Otaviano_09]

If you have over 300 iPhones waiting to be sold, why don't you purchase TurboSIM in bulk and at a better rate, and factor that into the price you sell the phones for?

[pl_svn]

(in the while find a good deal on lube for those... 318. Won't be easy without! - I don't get this.

... don't worry: just *one more* thing you can't get! :p

(btw: "prick" was in your firts post's first line!)

[pl_svn]

If you have over 300 iPhones waiting to be sold, why don't you purchase TurboSIM in bulk and at a better rate, and factor that into the price you sell the phones for?

... because he can't get TurboSIMs in bulk at any price. Only crappySIM. And he is an idealist looking for true quality! ;)

[hks_turbokits]

Im pretty sure they do want to unlock it

i think they have just hit a brick wall

there are sooo many of us who have donated and there are soo many who should, even a single dollar would help

BUT

Look at great websites such as: www.11246unlock.com ( <-- Check It Out)

So many of these websites have pooled together money as a prize for them, its really important people actualy donate and get behind the cause.

Sooner or later, they are going to get a major breakthrough, and the ball will start rolling from there....

Im sure they want to, but they just cant

Until then..... The Wait is On

[clinkclink]

... don't worry: just *one more* thing you can't get! :p

(btw: "prick" was in your firts post's first line!)

As I said, go get educated.

[ridderdk]

As I said, go get educated.

I think you will have a hard time getting any sympathy.....

[pl_svn]

As I said, go get educated.

... sure: I could train my fingers at typing but unfortunately... no hope for your brain!

[iMaso]

I think you will have a hard time getting any sympathy.....

he doesnt want sympathy, just money.

[rchik]

he doesnt want sympathy, just money.

yeah he didn't even say that he is gonna waste any of his money to get the unlock faster, he just promised to pay if everyone's gonna pay, omg what a brave promise indeed! I'd have a respect for him if he said smth like "I swear I'll pay $6000 to the soft-unlock providers" or even put them on 1 of these 11246unlock sites, but no, he doesn't give a cent, only promises he'll maybe do it later, heh. I am sure right when soft unlock is out he'll forget about any money.
motivating as hell, aint it?

[Former Bender]

As I said, go get educated.

Even "if" he's not educated like you enjoy repeating (English is maybe not his native language), it doesn't change the fact that your business success depends on someone else.

I hope the Devteam to release the unlock for people who deserve it by donating and that have been patiently waiting, but at the same time, i hope they won't release anything just because of people showing no respect in several threads with their whining/conspiracy theories/insults etc etc...
Most of them are pissed sellers that will never accept the fact they made a wrong bet believing they will make money with a free solution.

[Areku]

Err... wasn't Jobs' business to make iPhone 1.1.1 so appealing to be broken/unlocked that now every ebay seller got 1000's of 1.1.2 locked and being sold as "bulk" lots for near the price of the Apple stores? ;)

Jobs succeeded. Apple won.

They sold trillions of hard-to-unlock 1.1.2 and now 1.1.3 too... 1.0.2 spreaded the word, 1.1.1 was so easy to hack that now they made LOTS of money and at the same time stop the unlock madness, putting good moods on AT&T and every other company willing to put you barriers on your belongings....

Well, you took too long to take the red pill, Neo ;)

[pl_svn]

(English is maybe not his native language)

... obviously it's not. So could you, please, put in good plain english the one re "lube" for him to understand? :p

[Daniel_cps]

I for one cant believe he spent USD$126,882 on that..


seriously.
N41

first of all, sorry for my english.. obviously it not my native language, its only 1 of the 3 i speak... be patient :)



i do believe him... i can speak for myself and what i´ve seen around here in Brazil....

there is lots and lots of ppl who went to USA and bought dozens and dozens of iphones to unlock and sell on local market.

i unlock iphones for a cellphone store here in Brazil... i have unlocked over 35 iphones from 1.0.2 to 1.1.2 (3.9BL), the shop owner has in this very exact moment 57 1.1.2 OTB 4.6 BL iphones just sitting at his store and i´ve seen them... and he is only 1 guy with 1 store... his call was not to H/W unlock them because opening the damn thing could damage it (physically).

he also told that other friends of him, also cellphone resellers from São Paulo (Brazil largest city), have dozens not to say hundreds of 1.1.2 OTB iphones just sitting and waiting for a more "friendly" solution.

iphone became a VERY profitable market for countries where it wasn't officially launched, common price for an iphone in Brazil is around 900 DLS... and guess what... ppl buy it...


so when this guy says he has over 300 iphones... i really don´t find that hard to believe...
you guys live in a different world :D

[pl_svn]

you guys live in a different world :D

... a raça dos filhos da p##a nunca vai acabar mas... tem diferencias entre eles também ;)


(I'll leave english translation as an exercise for clinkclink :p)

btw: not even portuguese is my native language então... me desculpa, irmão ;)

[patientlywaiting]

Wow clinkclink, you really missed the point here....

I'm very new to this site and the whole iphone world and I have only one (not interested in making money off of someone else's efforts)! I have to admit, I have spent a great deal of time reading and reading the posts on this site and there seems to be one constant message.... the dev's don't take money!
That message tells me that this more of a passion for them and less of an enterprise. To suggest that they need motivation seems pretty offensive and insulting.

That's just my two cents....

[krimp]

he prob thought - ya! in a week or soo it will be unlocked." lmao

- Yeah, like the other 150,000 idiots right.

dude i know ur waiting for a solution..
believe me everyone is but to a true hacker money just means more equipment.. and since a hacker always almost has what he wants i dont think giving money would do anything but insult them

- Grow up.

i live in new delhi india.. i have unlocked more than 500 iphones for FREE thats right for FREE... so believe me i know..

- Looks like Ghandi is still alive.


just by adding statement to my post doesnt make u a genius just a fuckin moron...

ur tellin other ppl to get an education, learn to spell, its Gandhi..not ghandi, and you need to realize that i dont need to make money selling shit .. and i dont need to prove anything to you..
what george did was his fuckin problem.. not mine nor anyone else.

so ya instead of telling me to grow up, u nagging Bit$# why dont you hold on to ur panties till there is a release so that u save urself the fukin pain of being humiliated..

[iMaso]

LOL if Gandhi was still alive he would beat the shit ouf of that guy ;)

[jeevz]

This thread should be closed and moved to Opinions section. This thread isn't motivating anyone.

[iGun 4 Fun]

Guys, yeah, I know, everyone is sick and tired of waiting for this unlock, and many (speculators) say that it can't be done and get irritated by the suggestion (pricks). Bullshit! Anything can be reverse engineered. Anything.

And yes, we all know about the hardware unlocks, and the crappySIM products, but most people are averse to trying the hardware method or buying those shitty sim proxy gizmos. I have done four hardware unlocks with great success but they are tedious to perform. Also, once your iPhone has been opened it will never be as good as original, no matter what you do. This is saddening for many people who take care and pride with their belongings, many of whom had to save up hard earned cash to buy them in the first place and cannot afford to fuck around with it.

Anyway, since I definitely don't have the aptitude to crack the 4.6 bootloader, I have another idea. Let's motivate those who can do it.

I am assuming that there must be between 150,000 - 200,000 1.1.2 locked iPhones globally. I for one, have 318 units that are sitting down for the last 2 months waiting to be unlocked and sold. Yes, I sell them, I make money, there is no sin in that OK (I say this to self-righteous pricks here, that behave like making money is some kind of evil).

Anyway the point is that the devs seem to be kind of tired with the prospect of cracking the 4.6 bootloader. Can't say I blame them either, and God knows how hard they must have tried with it. But I don't believe all is lost, it can be done. They need to be motivated. They should be able able to look forward to some kind of reward for the task.

Anyway the point is this; I wouldn't mind paying $20 for each software unlock and I will make a pledge to that. If 10000 people pledge the same then that's 200k for the devs. Good motivation I think. So how about they give us a realistic timeline, say 2 weeks, and start taking names. The money could be substantial for them and they would deserve it.

Yeah, yeah, I know this may seem kind of utopian, but there are enough people out there who would pay the $20 unlock fee (yes, fee, not donation there's nothing wrong with profit, unless maybe you're a commie or a hippy).

If the devs feel they can do it with this kind of motivation, then let me know, we can set up a portal for the pledges, get the word out, and then start taking names.

1.1.2 OTB unlock - this is where the glory lies, this is where the money can be made. So who's interested?

Now come on, start flaming me.


I applaud your courageous efforts. And I agree with you.

It is ok to make money. We all have to eat.

[MSiqueira]

[...]At least i'm trying to motivate a group effort here for something that 'the people' are desperate for.




It's hard to learn, huh?

YOU CANNOT MOTIVATE ANYONE BY GIVING THEM MONEY!!!

Unless they are already motivated (remember, from the inside!!!!!!!!!!) to do the thing primarily for the greens, and the team is not cashing...


STOP LOOPING YOURSELF, clunkclunk...


P.S before one asks, I do have a 48 week 4.6bl working as a fine iPTouch. I've just sit back, relax and for now i'm waiting for the unlock, with no ppllllsss or "bring the fuckin unlock now" annoying threads...

"I'm not worry with the one who has 318 locked iPhones. It's the guy with one I'm worried about." :p

[moska]

I've already thought that as soon as I got the software unlock I will make a donation to whom would provide it....no prob with that....
I am in....

[thg]

just thinking simple !
is there any way to generate a fake Modem Firmware and replace the one in the System Firmware Updater that reflects a higher version
so we can foul the system and install an actually lower version of the Modem Firmware ?

[clinkclink]

To all you wankers that adamantly insist that the Devs are not interested in money, let me wake you up. I have already received two valid emails from prominently recognised dev team members who agree with this idea.

And no fucking way will I disclose any info about them, so don't ask.

Also, let me just remind you guys that Steve Jobs improves the security of his products by throwing money at his efforts. His teams are not working for free, and you know what, they are getting the job done! So, if the devs don't want the money for personal use, then it could be used for funding their reverse engineering efforts and to help stay in the game, because right now they clearly are not. Everyone's fighting, everyone's leaking and some are selling out. Rumours of course, but who the fuck knows anymore with all the silence and secrecy. But seriously, where are the results? That's what poor funding produces.

Personally, I think that many of the objectors here are a bunch of fucking free loaders and cheapskates. They seem to be worried about the possible setting of a precedence here.

Again, let me just say that 99% of the people on these forums don't give a realistic fuck about any of the guys in the dev teams, they don't even know them. They are here to get shit for free.

So to all you hot headed, self-righteous (cheapskates), why don't you go flame the conspiracy theorists in the other threads, that claim the devs have sold out to the *SIM makers. I am sure they will make better targets.

So to the flamers: don't talk shit, give some good input or better ideas, or just go and express your anger with your parents you 12 year olds.

Oh, and who gives a fuck about how Ghandu is spelt anyway.

[n350z]

lol boy you sound Pissed

Thread title is

---[1.1.2 OTB] Software Unlock - Motivation Effort for Devs---

thats not much of a Motivational comment below clinkclink !!

99% of the people on these forums don't give a realistic fuck about any of the guys in the dev teams


Edit:
I think this thread should be turned to a more constructive on one or just simply CLOSED!

[Number_41]

Personally, I think that many of the objectors here are a bunch of fucking free loaders and cheapskates.

Kind of hard for you to say this when youre here complaining that there is no unlock for your 318 iphones.

You wouldnt be here complaining your heart out about this situation if there was a software unlock, or if you were 200,000 richer.


Who gives a rats ass seriously bud? Your entire rant can be summarized into what n350 just quoted.

If you would care to ask your valid dev team member's email why they cant give you that unlock, you would see that its a pretty good reason. and until you dont get up and try it yourself or try to come up with a software solution, or even give us the key needed to assign the unlocking software back in, you dont have a say for anything.


I sigh at you.

N41

moving to opinions and discussions

[MSiqueira]

I'm done with this cr**

just unsubscribing now.


Good luck, clunk.

[clinkclink]

Kind of hard for you to say this when youre here complaining that there is no unlock for your 318 iphones.

You wouldnt be here complaining your heart out about this situation if there was a software unlock, or if you were 200,000 richer.


Who gives a rats ass seriously bud? Your entire rant can be summarized into what n350 just quoted.

If you would care to ask your valid dev team member's email why they cant give you that unlock, you would see that its a pretty good reason. and until you dont get up and try it yourself or try to come up with a software solution, or even give us the key needed to assign the unlocking software back in, you dont have a say for anything.


I sigh at you.

N41

moving to opinions and discussions

Did you even read the OP?

[jjaenagle]

that sounds like a good idea but not realistic! the software should be free for us all anyways!

i would love to pay them for their work and will be when i can!

[Number_41]

Did you even read the OP?

Yes. but I moved it in here so I dont have to look at this thread anymore

N41 hahahaha

Thats a partial lie

[Former Bender]

Oh, and who gives a fuck about how Ghandu is spelt anyway.

哈哈哈哈哈哈 :D

That is really sweet.
By the way, happy Chinese New Year to you guys.
I'll leave for a few days. ;)

[HYLJY]

heh 318's chump change, i sold 2000 in a week,
and they all seal box. =)
but i woulda made more money if they were a s/w unlock.
listen dude with 318 phones. sitting on your money you will lose money
move em first
thanx for all you've done dev team.

p.s what is the biggest donation you've gotten so far? from a single source.
just curious.

i'm chinese too happy new year!!!