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thecompkid
01-21-2008, 05:00 PM
Honestly, this whole 1.1.3 JB situation has gotten way out of hand. We have NerveGas and netkas telling us that they are waiting until the SDK, while the other half of the dev team is saying that it will be released "when it's ready". We have a handful of supposed devs saying that the JB is hardware based while most are claiming that it is pure software. But worst of all, we have NG, Zibri, and plenty of other teenagers on Youtube dangling the carrot right in front of our faces while the forum is in the middle of a civil war between the 'crying girls who can't wait for the jailbreak' and the 'blindly loyal dev team dumbasses'. I'm not saying that waiting is the wrong choice, I'm saying it's wrong to be putting the community through all this crap while we're stuck waiting for a 404 to clear at dev team central. If the dev team wants to wait, why is NG leaking info? Why won't they give us the vfdecrypt key for 1.1.3 when that would hardly constitute copyright infringement and they have done it at least 5 times before?

Yeah, I know this looks like flamebait, but I assure you that's not my intention. I think we just need to look at the facts.

- Releasing the info that the JB was complete at all was a mistake. In addition to causing us all this trouble, Apple is now aware of problems with both its streaming video player and its iTouch paid FW upgrade package. If the team just kept quiet like they keep claiming they want to, then none of this would have happened.
- Apple is definitely going to release a new FW before the SDK, and you are ignorant if you think 1.1.3 is going to work with the SDK. It was possible that 1.1.3 was the SDK FW before all this drama, but you can bet your ass it isn't now.
- What does all this mean? It means that the hole that the dev team is using to JB is almost certainly going to be patched before the SDK. If you disagree with this statement, realize that you are telling me that you think that some team of coders hacking in their free time is more intelligent than millions of dollars worth of R&D equipment and personnel at a leading technology company. You have to get this through your head: Apple pays hundreds of thousands of dollars to consulting firms so they can find holes in their software. If they fail to find in 4 weeks what it took a couple of people a few days to exploit, then, well, I don't even know how to finish that sentence because it's so unlikely.

I think we all need to come to terms with the fact that the dev team has reached a point where their ego is destroying the community. These "elite" devs are under the assumption that they are above Apple in coding prowess, and it's going to destroy them come late February.

chrisli
01-21-2008, 05:11 PM
I'm bored of this 1.1.3 JB threads...

toyanucci
01-21-2008, 05:19 PM
I understand exactly what u are saying but I dont agree with the use of the word "intelligent" in what you were saying. Honestly, no matter how much apple pays folks to find holes etc, they won't have the zeal or drive as those coders with freetime.

Anyhow, I agree about releasing it, not because I personally want it, but because persons have donated and its basically a partnership. I know dev team etc can't be paid for all the time and effort put into their effort so please dont think thats what I'm saying.

In parting, as the original poster states, if it was to be a secret, it should not have been announced and so many persons shouldn't be dangling the carrot on youtube. Apple will seek ALL holes now, known or unknown and THAT could make things harder in future rather than easier as its better they go patch hole 'A' knowing exactly what it is rather than finding holes 'A' to 'H' when trying to figure out how the firmware was hacked.

Anyhow, thanks to all for the hardwork and for allow us to enjoy our iPhones in ways not even the original creator conceived.

SoLoR
01-21-2008, 05:32 PM
"when its read" and it wont be ready till SDK :)

anyway as far as i heared 1.1.3 is full of bugs and its far from stable as 1.1.2 is, IF with not releasing 1.1.3JB they manage to save a lot of time when SDK/next firmware will get out with hopefuly most of annoying bugs fixed then ofc go for it. We can all live without new maps and wiggly icons for another month... but if apple will also find this sec holes and fixed them till next firmware, then noone acomplished anything. I guess noone cant know what will happen till end of feb, we can all just gamble&wait&hope for the best. Whining helps least of all, imo they shouldnt even announce they found JB solution, if this where intentions all along

piranha
01-21-2008, 05:44 PM
blah blah blah

Please stop flaming. Bite the carrot or find your own solution.
Everybody is tired of posts like that, which are not going to change anything.

Go sulk in the corner.

thecompkid
01-21-2008, 06:06 PM
Please stop flaming. Bite the carrot or find your own solution.


Actually, that's kind of funny, because that was where I was supposed to be going with this before I went off on a tangent. Dammit.

Kitharo
01-21-2008, 06:37 PM
Honestly, this whole 1.1.3 JB situation has gotten way out of hand. We have NerveGas and netkas telling us that they are waiting until the SDK, while the other half of the dev team is saying that it will be released "when it's ready". We have a handful of supposed devs saying that the JB is hardware based while most are claiming that it is pure software. But worst of all, we have NG, Zibri, and plenty of other teenagers on Youtube dangling the carrot right in front of our faces while the forum is in the middle of a civil war between the 'crying girls who can't wait for the jailbreak' and the 'blindly loyal dev team dumbasses'. I'm not saying that waiting is the wrong choice, I'm saying it's wrong to be putting the community through all this crap while we're stuck waiting for a 404 to clear at dev team central. If the dev team wants to wait, why is NG leaking info? Why won't they give us the vfdecrypt key for 1.1.3 when that would hardly constitute copyright infringement and they have done it at least 5 times before?

Yeah, I know this looks like flamebait, but I assure you that's not my intention. I think we just need to look at the facts.

- Releasing the info that the JB was complete at all was a mistake. In addition to causing us all this trouble, Apple is now aware of problems with both its streaming video player and its iTouch paid FW upgrade package. If the team just kept quiet like they keep claiming they want to, then none of this would have happened.
- Apple is definitely going to release a new FW before the SDK, and you are ignorant if you think 1.1.3 is going to work with the SDK. It was possible that 1.1.3 was the SDK FW before all this drama, but you can bet your ass it isn't now.
- What does all this mean? It means that the hole that the dev team is using to JB is almost certainly going to be patched before the SDK. If you disagree with this statement, realize that you are telling me that you think that some team of coders hacking in their free time is more intelligent than millions of dollars worth of R&D equipment and personnel at a leading technology company. You have to get this through your head: Apple pays hundreds of thousands of dollars to consulting firms so they can find holes in their software. If they fail to find in 4 weeks what it took a couple of people a few days to exploit, then, well, I don't even know how to finish that sentence because it's so unlikely.

I think we all need to come to terms with the fact that the dev team has reached a point where their ego is destroying the community. These "elite" devs are under the assumption that they are above Apple in coding prowess, and it's going to destroy them come late February.

dito!

I think Apple already know the hole in the fw.. I mean that they have the experts and more money than the dev team^^

And who said that with the SDK comes a new FW?