Experiences with german SIM Cards

[Shade.sh]

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So many thanks to all the reporters and testers of your simcards!! The current status is:

EPlus: No one works!
O2 (Viaginterkom): No one works! (Only the first pair is extracted)
T-Mobile (D1): No one works!
Vodafone (D2): Only some very rare "D2 Privat" sims "seems" to be work!
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Hi all,

yesterday my Infinity USB Unlimited box has arrived. I've tested some cards of german providers. There where, O2, Vodafone, Eplus and T-Mobile (And his resellers Debitel, Blue, SimYo and so on...).

My tests results are:

D2 Prepaid
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Details on card: Hutchison Telecom - D2 Mannesmann
Age: Around 7 Years
KI: Not found, R2 attack takes about 4 hours abort at R3 attack, no collisions found.

D2 Contract
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Details on card: 3V - 16K (Vodafone)
Age: Around 2 years
KI: No KI found, R2 attack runs more then 4 hours and ended in a no collisions found.

O2 Prepaid
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Details on card: 3V - 16K
Age: Around 6 Years
KI: Not found, R2 attack takes around 30 minutes 2 fields found, abort at R3 attack, no collisions found.
Notice: I spoke to my contact at business support at O2 in germany. There are NO possibility to get the KI out of modern german O2 Cards! If you order a MultiSIM Card i.e. for very old car phones etc. You will get a V2 Version for sure! The production of V1 cards ended and that will not longer delivered. Card must be older then 9 (!) years to get a possibility for KI extraction. (v1)

O2 Contract
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Age: Around 3 Years
KI: Not found, R2 attack takes around 25 minutes, 2 fields found, abort at R3 attack, no collisions found.
Notice: I spoke to my contact at business support at O2 in germany. There are NO possibility to get the KI out of modern german O2 Cards! If you order a MultiSIM Card i.e. for very old car phones etc. You will get a V2 Version for sure! The production of V1 cards ended and that will not longer delivered. Card must be older then 9 (!) years to get a possibility for KI extraction. (v1)

Eplus Prepaid
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Details on card: 3V - 16K
Age: Around 1 Year
KI: Not found, R2 attack takes about 4 hours abort at R3 attack, no collisions found.

Eplus Contract
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Details on card: n/a
Age: n/a
KI: n/a
Notice: If someone can give me feedback on that, this would be good.

T-Mobile Prepaid
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Age: Around 2 Years
KI: Not found, R2 attack takes around 10 minutes 2 fields found, abort at R3 attack, no collisions found
Notice: Seems to be that D1 e.g. T-Mobile cards not using V1 (COMP128V1) crypt. No card let me extract the KI!

T-Mobile Contract
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Details on card: n/a
Age: n/a
KI: n/a
Notice: If someone can give me feedback on that, this would be good.


I will test more cards especially Prepaid cards from germany.

---> I can _not_ confirm that SimCards are destroyed if you scan it with WoronScan or SimScan!! All cards working very well after all.


Greetings

Shade

[AlmeidaCTU]

I tested about 17 differnt german Cards from all providers.

I made the same experiences than you. With O2, it's only possible to extract the 0 Pair with 2R attack, but not more.

No luck at all with Eplus, D1 and most of D2 cards. The scan runs till the end but won't find anything (age of cards differs from 1-7 years).

Only with one card I was able to extract the KI, it was a D2 card of 1998.

[GoodCat]

Hi,

there is an Nice Homepage where somebody say that if you dont know the KI
os just write down FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF (any KI)

Can somebody try it?

Here the Link: http://www.scam

[Shade.sh]

Only with one card I was able to extract the KI, it was a D2 card of 1998.

Uhm, 1998... strange! I have to speak with some friends, lets see if they have some cards out of that stoneage. Thanks very much for your reporting !

[pendalf]

you can try to go to mobile shop and offer the v1 card for you contract,
with the reason, you´ve got a car with an old carphone inside and you wanna use it now, but it´s working just with v1...
:cool:

[stendhal_uk]

Reading from http://www.kiscan.net/ does this mean the KI can be extracted from V2 or V3 sims ?

regards

[997TT]

Hi,

there is an Nice Homepage where somebody say that if you dont know the KI
os just write down FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF (any KI)

Can somebody try it?

Here the Link: http://www.scam

WARNING: www.kiscan.net is distributing TROJANS and MALWARE with some of the software downloadable from their site, DO NOT download from them and I would also be careful with the recommendations they make!!! The SIM scanner they offer, apparently a modded Woron Scan version, is sending your IMSI, ICCID and KI to a third party!!!

Don't say you haven't been warned!

[petermann]

Hi there, do anyone in germany - whatever D1, D2, O2... - complete an activation? are there any solution without v1? pls tell here or via pm. thx in advance....a very very impatient iPhone-owner!:)

[Floctiosus]

Hi,

Found an about 12 Year old T-D1 Sim ( theres written "GSM" on it, no more else).
I dont know wether this is a V1 Sim or not ?

And if it would be possible with this one ?

Does anyone know ?

As far as i read theres no way of getting the KI number of an T-D1 GSM Card ( no mather how old it is)

Any advices ?

(Ev. auch in deutsch, bei dem komplizierten Thema wäre jede Erfahrung und Hilfe wünschenswert, ev. gibt es ja doch noch andere Möglichkeiten an eine geeignete Sim zu kommen ( einer aus Großbritannien hat 5 Stück aufgetrieben !, warum gibts die nicht auch bei uns noch irgendwo !))

Grüße,
Flo

[Shade.sh]

Hi,

Found an about 12 Year old T-D1 Sim ( theres written "GSM" on it, no more else).
I dont know wether this is a V1 Sim or not ?

And if it would be possible with this one ?

Does anyone know ?

As far as i read theres no way of getting the KI number of an T-D1 GSM Card ( no mather how old it is)

Any advices ?

(Ev. auch in deutsch, bei dem komplizierten Thema wäre jede Erfahrung und Hilfe wünschenswert, ev. gibt es ja doch noch andere Möglichkeiten an eine geeignete Sim zu kommen ( einer aus Großbritannien hat 5 Stück aufgetrieben !, warum gibts die nicht auch bei uns noch irgendwo !))

Grüße,
Flo

I think this simcard is not acceptable. I have a similar card here, no KI pair is extraced. Sorry dude.... Try a D2 card of that age.

[Floctiosus]

Hm,

where the hell could i get an old D2 card ??

Allready hat trouble to find an 12 year old T-D1 Card

[Shade.sh]

Hm,

where the hell could i get an old D2 card ??

Allready hat trouble to find an 12 year old T-D1 Card

Try it with the tip of the previous poster. Ask the customer support if you can obtain a DuoSim (MultiSIM) of V1 for a old car phone or something. Maybe at D2 it could be fine, but im not a D2 subscriber, so i can not say this for sure.

[Floctiosus]

Hm

Ok, wenn ich einen D2 Vertrag mit aktueller Karte hätte würde ich das sogar machen, aber ich habe derzeit nur einen T-Mobile Vertrag.
Ich denke T-mobile hat generell keine Simkarte die sich knacken lassen ( auch nicht die alten)

Grüße,
Flo

[Shade.sh]

Hm

Ok, wenn ich einen D2 Vertrag mit aktueller Karte hätte würde ich das sogar machen, aber ich habe derzeit nur einen T-Mobile Vertrag.
Ich denke T-mobile hat generell keine Simkarte die sich knacken lassen ( auch nicht die alten)

Grüße,
Flo

First thread site are refreshed. Tomorrow my friend give me two D2 cards. Age's are 6 and 2 years. Stay tuned, i'll give you feedback when the tests finished. But i think it's very hard to get a usable GSM Card from germany :(

[petemag]

Hm

Ok, wenn ich einen D2 Vertrag mit aktueller Karte hätte würde ich das sogar machen, aber ich habe derzeit nur einen T-Mobile Vertrag.
Ich denke T-mobile hat generell keine Simkarte die sich knacken lassen ( auch nicht die alten)

Grüße,
Flo

Nur Englisch in diesem Forum, bitte.

Only English in this forum, please.

[Floctiosus]

Hallo ?

Es geht in diesem Thema um ein ausschließlich deutsches Problem !!

In jedem anderen Tread der international gehalten ist, ist englisch pflicht !

Hier kann man aber ruhig mal zur Muttersprache greifen.

[petermann]

...so stay tuned in english.

[petemag]

And you have the power to make that decision? This is an international forum. Unless the admin says otherwise I would type in English.

[shark699]

I think security in Germany is realy graet wirth V2, etc. sims! Are there any experience in Austria and Switzerland - this countries are not far away!

[997TT]

The only German Provider SIM cards which should work are Vodafone (formerly D2 Privat) SIM cards from around 2002 and earlier.
If your SIM card has a Vodafone lettering, forget about it, it doesn't work.
If your SIM card has a D2 lettering, it may work, you need to try it.
Cards with D2 Vodafone lettering do not work.

ALL other german cell phone service providers are using SIM cards which are not working with the Super SIM method.

This is first hand information from an engineer who works for Rohde & Schwarz, I guess I don't have to explain what this company does. ;)

[997TT]

Hallo ?

Es geht in diesem Thema um ein ausschließlich deutsches Problem !!

In jedem anderen Tread der international gehalten ist, ist englisch pflicht !

Hier kann man aber ruhig mal zur Muttersprache greifen.

I'm afraid not. Please stick to English, otherwise we end up with mixed language threads/posts in all kind of languages.

If you want to exchange information in your language, feel free to use the PM function of this forum. Thanks for your understanding. :)

[pendalf]

The only German Provider SIM cards which should work are Vodafone (formerly D2 Privat) SIM cards from around 2002 and earlier.
If your SIM card has a Vodafone lettering, forget about it, it doesn't work.
If your SIM card has a D2 lettering, it may work, you need to try it.
Cards with D2 Vodafone lettering do not work.

ALL other german cell phone service providers are using SIM cards which are not working with the Super SIM method.

This is first hand information from an engineer who works for Rohde & Schwarz, I guess I don't have to explain what this company does. ;)

good job!

and thanks for support, when my iPhone did not work.
i thing you saw allready, i´ve fixed it. :D

[Priority]

hello folks
on my card is written d2 mannesmann, a silver colored card could it work?

[Shade.sh]

hello folks
on my card is written d2 mannesmann, a silver colored card could it work?

You have to try it. Im here in munich, if you can come here or send me the card, i can check it. Notice: This is only a offer for you if you don't want to buy a card reader ;)

[praetorianer]

Is it tested that a old German D2 Card can used for this "unlock"....

So that after you did it....

You can make and get calls and also send and get SMS in Germany...

Thanks for help...

[Floctiosus]

Hey,

Found an old CallYa 0174er "CallYaRed" card which is white coloured and theres written "D2-Mannesmann" on it.
Last V-Series ( written "V 0174")

Would this work ?

Same in German:
Ich habe hier eine CallYa 0174er im Traif "CallYaRed", die ist auf der Vorderseite weiß und hat mit großem blauem Schriftzug D2-Mannesmann draufstehen. Ist eine SIM-Karte aus der V-Serie (letzte Zeile "V 0174")

[Floctiosus]

Second Sim i could get:

Old CallYa, Type "S", year: 2000, Provider Cellway ( today: mobilcom)

If anyone could get the Ki out of such a card please post !

Same in German:
Es ist eine CallYa, Kartentyp "S". Sie stammt aus dem Jahre 2000 und ist vom ehemaligen Provider Cellway, was heute vollständig Mobilcom ist.

Die Vorwahl ist 0174,

[GoodCat]

You have to try it. Im here in munich, if you can come here or send me the card, i can check it. Notice: This is only a offer for you if you don't want to buy a card reader

Shade.sh im in Munich too. I use Symio as my Provider! We shoud look for more Guys from Munich an meet somewhere! So we can test all our Cards and exchange the Information we have;)

[Shade.sh]

Shade.sh im in Munich too. I use Symio as my Provider! We shoud look for more Guys from Munich an meet somewhere! So we can test all our Cards and exchange the Information we have;)

Yes this should be no problem at all. I'll give you feedback, whats happen with the 2 old D2 cards, in the evening, around 19:00.

[Shade.sh]

Second Sim i could get:

Old CallYa, Type "S", year: 2000, Provider Cellway ( today: mobilcom)

If anyone could get the Ki out of such a card please post !

Same in German:
Es ist eine CallYa, Kartentyp "S". Sie stammt aus dem Jahre 2000 und ist vom ehemaligen Provider Cellway, was heute vollständig Mobilcom ist.

Die Vorwahl ist 0174,

This "could" be a good card. Can you test it?

[uha]

I am from Munich too and i have several cards D2 old / T-D1 old (still active) and of course a Iphone. So i think it is a good idea to share information ..... we all have the same goal or ?:D

[Floctiosus]

its from a friend, i wanted to ask bevore i convience him the give me the card :)

I am from Munich too.

As Student, i usually are only monday- friday in Munich ( and not during the holidays).

I would come to Munich if we gone make a big meeting.

[Shade.sh]

So i have a cardreader/writer for use. If somebody would test his cards with this peace of hardware, let me know. We can make a appointment and then test the cards. Today or tomorrow my next 2 silvercards should be arrive. So i have one silvercard for spare ;)

[praetorianer]

Good to hear that there will be a chance for German Iphones...

- So the most important thing is - we need the 1. Iphone with a German supersim card... so that everyone here knows that it will be possible in German...

And than we can all can start with the search for V1 Sim cards....

[doneit]

Today or tomorrow my next 2 silvercards should be arrive. So i have one silvercard for spare ;)

where did you get those?

[Floctiosus]

I thougt there are allready Supersim-iphones in germany ?

thought its allready proven that this works ! ??

[Priority]

hi shade woher kommst du haette interesse

[Shade.sh]

where did you get those?

http://www.berlin-satshop.de
Here i get the silvercards.

[Floctiosus]

This is what the card looks like:

http://www.infografikarchiv.com/thumbnails/2004/04/30/d2mannes_4C_th.jpg

Anyone tested such a card jet ?

[Shade.sh]

This is what the card looks like:

http://www.infografikarchiv.com/thumbnails/2004/04/30/d2mannes_4C_th.jpg

Anyone tested such a card jet ?

No not yet. Today in the evening, i post my test with a similar card, around 20:00 o'clock in here.

[ikarus79m]

Hey guys,

I got an old Viag Interkom Loop (Prepaid) card. They are now O2, but I am still using the old Viag Interkom card (maybe year 1999 or 2000). Do you think there is a chance that one will work?

[Shade.sh]

Hey guys,

I got an old Viag Interkom Loop (Prepaid) card. They are now O2, but I am still using the old Viag Interkom card (maybe year 1999 or 2000). Do you think there is a chance that one will work?

I think, no. O2 is very strange with his cards... but if you could -> test it.

[Priority]

ey shade habe interesse an deiner card woher kommst genau?

[ikarus79m]

I think, no. O2 is very strange with his cards... but if you could -> test it.

Well, it's a Viag Interkom card, before it was O2. I will be able to test it on monday. If anyone knows in advance let me know :-)

[Shade.sh]

Well, it's a Viag Interkom card, before it was O2. I will be able to test it on monday. If anyone knows in advance let me know :-)

This is totaly right what you say. But my contact at business support at O2 (Yea i know Interkom and O2 *different* companys) says that most likely cards before 99 are have the chance to be a V1 card. And (!) it's never confirmed that O2 ever use COMP128V1... but if you can test it, i will be happy to hear from you. My tests with O2 and Interkom cards are all ended up in nothing... :/

[ikarus79m]

This is totaly right what you say. But my contact at business support at O2 (Yea i know Interkom and O2 *different* companys) says that most likely cards before 99 are have the chance to be a V1 card. And (!) it's never confirmed that O2 ever use COMP128V1... but if you can test it, i will be happy to hear from you. My tests with O2 and Interkom cards are all ended up in nothing... :/

Damn, that sucks! And I already ordered all of the equipment. :-( So there is no way out of this? What about this other sim method that I keep hearing about?

Anyone tested that?

[michaelffm75]

hi,

is "silvercard" = "silverwafer"?

what is with this turbocard? where can i get these?

ist the infinity USB Phönix for 39,95 the right one? did it read my orginal sim? i see no slot for it at the pictures.


thanks

[Shade.sh]

Damn, that sucks! And I already ordered all of the equipment. :-( So there is no way out of this? What about this other sim method that I keep hearing about?

Anyone tested that?

Not yet. I've ordered one TurboSIM and lets see whats happen to that. It a very nice solution, and if the app (Which is written by some others) on that card is smart enough this could be a solution for all country's. Don't be sad, a Smartcard reader/writer should be in every home :D

[Shade.sh]

hi,

is "silvercard" = "silverwafer"?

what is with this turbocard? where can i get these?

ist the infinity USB Phönix for 39,95 the right one? did it read my orginal sim? i see no slot for it at the pictures.


thanks

Uhm i don't know. But i think thats are the same expressions for one and the same thing. You can obtain the TurboSIM on http://www.bladox.com/shop.php?lang=en

I only test my cards with the Infinity USB Unlimited reader/writer, you can obtain this on ebay or at ton's of Satshops online.

[ikarus79m]

Not yet. I've ordered one TurboSIM and lets see whats happen to that. It a very nice solution, and if the app (Which is written by some others) on that card is smart enough this could be a solution for all country's. Don't be sad, a Smartcard reader/writer should be in every home :D

Hahaha you're funny Shade. So will you at least be able to use the same reader for the TurboSIM?

And also, may I ask one huge favor of you? In case that you get the TurboSIM to work, can you write up a little tutorial for the rest of us? Right now all the information is scattered all over the place and it is kind of hard to piece it all together....

When will you be getting yours btw?

[Shade.sh]

Hahaha you're funny Shade. So will you at least be able to use the same reader for the TurboSIM?

And also, may I ask one huge favor of you? In case that you get the TurboSIM to work, can you write up a little tutorial for the rest of us? Right now all the information is scattered all over the place and it is kind of hard to piece it all together....

When will you be getting yours btw?

No, as far as i know you need to have a serial access to the phone to program the TurboSIM.

Quote from the forums:

The point is that you - user - can easily upload the application into Turbo SIM. All you need is a phone with AT commands for SMS and data cable. The data cable means COM port on windows. It can be emulated by drivers and actually be USB, BT, IrDA.

Yes i can drop in here a little tutorial if mine is here. I don't know when it's here... i wish i know it.

[Floctiosus]

Hey,

Have a look at this site:

http://gsm.schnurstein.de/d2_statistik.html

I could get a "D2-Mannesmann" sim.

As far as i know the D2-Privat Sims ( first) should work, but i dont know about the others.

[Shade.sh]

Hey,

Have a look at this site:

http://gsm.schnurstein.de/d2_statistik.html

I could get a "D2-Mannesmann" sim.

As far as i know the D2-Privat Sims ( first) should work, but i dont know about the others.

This could be a real chance! But im not sure, because me D2 cards which have too "D2 Mannesmann" printed on it, are on the way and i can't say it for sure. Stay tuned!

Btw. my 2 silvercards are here and fully functional, they have survive'd the transport. ;)

[Floctiosus]

You wrote you gone test your cards ( also D2-mannesmann ???) today around 20 o clock.
Is this still acutall ?

Cant wait to hear this works and order that whole stuff for myshelf :)

Any difficulties to cut the Silvercards ??

[kickstart]

An old and deactivated D2-mannesmann already tested...not working! :cool:

[Newchurch71]

Hi,

I have tested a german LOOP prepaid card.
KI scanning seems to work (no V1 card ?) but finds only the first pair, then the following error occurs:

Finding 3R attack collision...
18:00:54
3R attack collisions found...used 512 steps
3R attack 0 possible pairs found
18:00:54
3R attack failed...

Any hint to solve the problem ?

Thanks, Newchurch

[Priority]

Hey shade reservier Mir mal eine. Wirst das mit der turbosim auch machen?

[Floctiosus]

@ Kickstart:

you wrote you tried it by using an old deaktivated D2-Mannesmann sim.
What does this deactivated mean ?

As far as i know it has to be a sim which was regular used and ist still aktiv !

Perhaps thats the reason why it did not work for you ??
Could you test wether the sim is a V1 or not ?

Flo

[Floctiosus]

@ Priority

You can easily get one at this satelite shop ( link posted on some site of this tread) in germany !!!
Costs just about 7 Euros.

But make sure you have a working V1 Sim bevore ordering a Silvercard !
(its very hard to find a working V1 Simcard !!, the other things ( Silvercard and reader/writer) are no problem at all)

Grüße,
Flo

[kickstart]

@Floctiosus
upps, hab gedacht zum Testen müsste auch mal ne alte deaktivierte Karte auf den Prüfstand, denn vom Ergebnis her verhällt sich auch diese genauso wie eine aktuelle, aktive, bei der Woronscan nicht meckert, daß es eine >V1 ist und sucht und sucht und nix dabei rauskommt...

[Floctiosus]

Hm

das verunsichert mich halt jetzt, ich habe die Möglichkeit eine alte D2-Mannesmann Karte von einem Freund zu bekommen.
Wohnt allerdings weiter weg und würde mir die mit der Post schicken.
Wenn ich weis das die geht kaufe ich ihm eine neue und er schickt mir die alte von ihm.

Bis jetzt war ich ziemlich sicher das das klappt, jetzt habe ich von dir gelesen das es anscheinend doch nicht geht.

Die Frage ist, warum hat das bei dir nicht geklappt, lag es daran das die Karte nicht mehr aktiv ist ?
Könntest du die Karte nochmal scannen und laufen lassen ( kann schon etwas dauern ) ob die KI auslesbar ist ?

Same in English:

Hm, i dont know why this didnt work for you, maybe because the sim is nocht aktiv anymore ??
Would be very important for me to know if these D2-Mannesmann card does work or nocht ( if its still aktiv).
Could you scan the sim again and check if you can get the Ki out of it ?
Would help me a lot !

If anyone else has a D2-Mannesmann card which tells its Ki please post !

Grüße,
Flo

[Shade.sh]

Hi all,

so my report of one (!) of the two cards. Which one is not so old <3 :cool:
This test was, as everybody know, negative. No KI found on that D2 card. :rolleyes:

Today later on afternoon i can be test the much older card of D2.

Greetings Shade

[Floctiosus]

hey shade,

Could you please tell us what exactly was written on the card ?

[Shade.sh]

hey shade,

Could you please tell us what exactly was written on the card ?

Yes sure, but now im in office. Later i post the D2 card details on the first site.

[Shade.sh]

hey shade,

Could you please tell us what exactly was written on the card ?

Written on it:

40 3076
04***72 3
M 0173

[mystere]

hi,

this night i testet active d2 mannemann with woron scan, and after 6-7 hours of bruteforce the card result as destroyed. :mad:

phone and cardreader cant read it again :confused:

the first 2 numbers of card is 68 and the last S 0172

its lock similar as the attachments pic

sorry for mi bad english

mfg

[Shade.sh]

hi,

this night i testet active d2 mannemann with woron scan, and after 6-7 hours of bruteforce the card result as destroyed. :mad:

phone and cardreader cant read it again :confused:

the first 2 numbers of card is 68 and the last S 0172

its lock similar as the attachments pic

sorry for mi bad english

mfg

Uhm, my condolence. But this is interesting for me because no card of mine where destroy in fact of scanning. All cards working very well after that. Can you say me which hardware did u use? Sometimes the software is hanging, because the (im sure wrong on that) buffers of i.e. the Virtual COM Port drivers are overloaded. Try it again with a fresh start of your testing workstation and insert first a empty silvercard or another card in the reader after that and try it again to read out any data which is not crypted from the *corrupted* card.

[dragon-tmd]

AFAIK there is NO simcard in Germany (apart from some VERY old D2) which can be used for supersim. You won't get more than one pair of the Ki. I testet nearly 30 different card (o2, e+, t-mob). None of them worked, none of them destroyed. I testet every possible program (woronscan, CARDinal, sim easy).

So if you don't own a really old D2 card, you've bad luck ...

Btw: Afaik t-mobile Germany never used the "normal" v1 cards, they altered the encryption.

[mystere]

Uhm, my condolence. But this is interesting for me because no card of mine where destroy in fact of scanning. All cards working very well after that. Can you say me which hardware did u use? Sometimes the software is hanging, because the (im sure wrong on that) buffers of i.e. the Virtual COM Port drivers are overloaded. Try it again with a fresh start of your testing workstation and insert first a empty silvercard or another card in the reader after that and try it again to read out any data which is not crypted from the *corrupted* card.

hi,

i used mastercrd2 in 3.57 mhz modus.

cant upload attachment. but mi card loks similar as the second pic on this site.

http://gsm.schnurstein.de/d2_statistik.html

mfg

[praetorianer]

I can get a really old prepaid D2 Card....

- I can swap this prepaid card into a normal contract card... or is it a porblem that it be at first a prepaid card...

Thanks for help...

[petermann]

Hi there hacking profs, the only thing a hacking-nerd like me could do, is donating the one who sell me a working SIM for my iPhone. Is anybody out there who could/would help me?

[GoodCat]

Hi all,

i few days ago i had the idea to ask my provider about my IMEI and my Ki Nummber!
Finaly i have got the information from my Provider!
So now i have two long numbers! IMEI i can see in my Phone if i call a Code and the Ki
i got from Provider! So now i have this stuff from my V3 Simcard but no Silvercard and Sim Reader to test it:mad:

Somebody who can help?

[pendalf]

Hi all,

i few days ago i had the idea to ask my provider about my IMEI and my Ki Nummber!
Finaly i have got the information from my Provider!
So now i have two long numbers! IMEI i can see in my Phone if i call a Code and the Ki
i got from Provider! So now i have this stuff from my V3 Simcard but no Silvercard and Sim Reader to test it:mad:

Somebody who can help?

what was your reason to get this info?
i thought is very confident and just for net provider...
:confused:

[Shade.sh]

Hi all,

i few days ago i had the idea to ask my provider about my IMEI and my Ki Nummber!
Finaly i have got the information from my Provider!
So now i have two long numbers! IMEI i can see in my Phone if i call a Code and the Ki
i got from Provider! So now i have this stuff from my V3 Simcard but no Silvercard and Sim Reader to test it:mad:

Somebody who can help?

LOL - Thats social engineering, great! May i ask which provider it was?
Sure i can help you, i have still one spare Silvercard (Silverwafer) and a reader/writer.

EDIT: Stop wait wait... the KI is know by the Provider?? As far as i know, the provider don't know the secret KI of any SIM. Because its a HASH.

[GoodCat]

Do you really think the dont know it? Maybe they just know the Ki under an other name witch the Provider use! My is very nice and tryed really to help me. So maybe i just asked wrong?

Do somebody know alle the meanings of the (KI) and all German translations?

[Shade.sh]

Do you really think the dont know it? Maybe they just know the Ki under an other name witch the Provider use! My is very nice and tryed really to help me. So maybe i just asked wrong?

Do somebody know alle the meanings of the (KI) and all German translations?

Ki is the 128-bit Individual Subscriber Authentication Key utilized as a secret key shared between the Mobile Station and the Home Location Register of the subscriber's home network.

So maybe im wrong... we can just test it ;)

[GoodCat]

i will be happy to test it but im not a idiot and give my cardinformations to somebody!

Is someone who live in Munich and can help me to test it?

It will be enouth to have an cardreader so i can try to scann my v3 card! With a bit of luck
maybe i can get the first one or two nummbers from my ki so i can see if the nummbers are the same like the one i have!

[ozbimmer]

whoever give you the Ki is either a newbie or trying to screw the telco. And there's no way you can get a single byte of Ki using current sim cloning software and hardware on V3 sim.

btw, how long is your Ki?

Anyway, good on you :) Try it on a silvercard and report back!

[997TT]

I'm a longtime business user with T-Mobile and Vodafone in Germany. Both refused to provide the Ki, one called back and actually told me into my face that he knows what I need it for and that this is illegal and the other one (woman) just told me that this isn't information they are allowed to pass on to customers.

So I highly doubt that a german cell phone service provider would give away the Ki, simply because it would open the possibility for the customer to use 10 different phones with one single SIM card. ;)

[ozbimmer]

quite right, 997TT (you drive a porsche 997 turbo? nice car :)). Remember Ki is like secret to telco, or else they won't protect it so securely.

[GoodCat]

I'm a longtime business user with T-Mobile and Vodafone in Germany. Both refused to provide the Ki, one called back and actually told me into my face that he knows what I need it for and that this is illegal and the other one (woman) just told me that this isn't information they are allowed to pass on to customers.

So I highly doubt that a german cell phone service provider would give away the Ki, simply because it would open the possibility for the customer to use 10 different phones with one single SIM card.


Hm..... maybe you right and i shoud stop ask and look for more informations I'm interested in a simlock free iphone and not some illegal activities with my provider. So i think i something go wrong he will really fast know who the bad guy(me) is!
So i better stop asking if its really illegal!

[ozbimmer]

i think you should go to the police and give yourself up :)

Also i wonder if the ki you was given is actually legitimate. May be it's someone's Ki.

[GoodCat]

The provider told me thats my ki for my Simcard first he asked me for my phone nummber and my online pw

dont think that he tryed to fool me

[ozbimmer]

ok, i trust you. i think you are the first person here have a V3 Ki.

repeat my question again: how long is your Ki?

[997TT]

ok, i trust you. i think you are the first person here have a V3 Ki.

repeat my question again: how long is your Ki?

Exactly: maybe he really got the Ki, you never know. Telling us the LENGTH of the Ki number is NO danger at all (just make sure you don't tell us the whole number).

[Zf_]

Hey, funny thread :)

Even if you got your Ki (which is very unlikely, otherwise the Boss will fire the guy so violently that it'll disturb some peaceful green creatures on Mars), you won't be able to do anything with it, since COMP 128-1 is the only algorithm that has been reversed :D

[Floctiosus]

is there anyone who found a working old D2 Sim ?

And what did it look like ? (Front and Back)

Still have no idea if a D2-Mannesmann could work.
(dont have the card jet and would like to know this bevore i buy all the stuff)

[GoodCat]

ok, i trust you. i think you are the first person here have a V3 Ki.

repeat my question again: how long is your Ki?

the ki i have is 14 positions long

[ozbimmer]

hmmm, Ki is 16 bytes long.

[GoodCat]

hm... i tell you the hole story!

first he give me 12 positions!
i asked him why so short! (i think the ki is longer too)
then he told me that to the 12 positions i must put some other at the end to get my "and just my sim-ident." he told me that i will find them on my sim! What ever thats mean! i looked on it but there are many different numbers maybe wrote down the wrong im not the profi in such sings.....

[ozbimmer]

so he didn't give you the whole Ki, only partial...

12 bytes (or 14?) is better than nothing!! But i don't think you can get the rest of the bytes just by looking at your sim.

what do you mean by "put some other at the end to get my "and just my sim-ident." "?

[GoodCat]

He told me that 12 partes he can see on his computer and the rest parts because 12 are not all i will find on my sim card so i just need to xxx xxx xxx xxx + the rest from my sim
im not understanding this too but on my sim are many different numbers
and dont really whant to call again to ask for more....
dont whant to risk to get some problems--->illigal

[ozbimmer]

indeed on your sim there are many numbers. which areas exactly you are looking at?

btw, if you have the 12 bytes, why not use a software call sim_scan? It lets you put in the known Ki bytes. That would increase the chance of breaking the v2/v3 Ki as some of the bytes are already know. But this is only a speculation. However, it doesn't hurt to try :) As it always says - "Fortune favor the brave".

[Shade.sh]

is there anyone who found a working old D2 Sim ?

And what did it look like ? (Front and Back)

Still have no idea if a D2-Mannesmann could work.
(dont have the card jet and would like to know this bevore i buy all the stuff)

So, my tests. My favorite, a very old D2 simcard with "D2 Mannesmann" on it give me nothing out of KI.... now im on a point of frustration *g

It seems like no cards of german providers are working... maybe cards BEFORE 99 are good, but all cards after '99 seems to be not working with COMP128V1.

Sorry dudes... hope the TurboSIM solution is better for german folks. I give you the tip to test your card with one guy which is able to share his equipment with you for that test.

[Floctiosus]

ok, then theres only the "D2-Privat" which should work.

But its hard to find such a card.

[ikarus79m]

I got my O2 Loop Pre-paid card (then Viag Interkom) in September 1998. You think there is no chance that one will work?

[Floctiosus]

sorry :(

Cant imagine that this one would work !

You can try ! but dont by this expensice Hardware just to see that it doesnt work with your sim !

[Floctiosus]

I would like to hear from someone who aktivated his iphone in germany with a old german sim, and i would like to know exactly which sim he used.
Since there are people outside who did this, hope someone will tell us.

If you know exactly what you need theres at least a chance to find this things und finally are able to make calls with your iphone.

This blind "trying" is only frustrating since wo know that some people got it working ( in germany/ with german simcard ) !!

Flo

[Newchurch71]

Hi,

i have tried an O2 Prepaid card too, but woronscan shows only the first pair of KI :(
There was no error message that it's not a V1 card.
I'll get a Netztel prepaid tommorrow or Monday/Thursday, hope that this card will work.

I don't understand why there are so many differences between T-Mobile cards in several european countries :confused:

Newchurch

[ikarus79m]

Hi,

i have tried an O2 Prepaid card too, but woronscan shows only the first pair of KI :(
There was no error message that it's not a V1 card.
I'll get a Netztel prepaid tommorrow or Monday/Thursday, hope that this card will work.

I don't understand why there are so many differences between T-Mobile cards in several european countries :confused:

Newchurch

How old is your card?

[Newchurch71]

Hi,

the LOOP card is 4 or 5 years old.
Today I get the Netztel card, woronscan is running ...

Newchurch

[AlmeidaCTU]

I successfully extracted the KI out of a 9 year old D2 card (from 1998).

I spoke to the Vodafone hotline and asked whether there is a chance for reactivating this card, at least as a Prepaid card (Callya). No way!
The first thing he told me when I read the numbers on that SIM was "Wow, this is quite an old card, it's from 1998". He tried but in the end he told me that there would be no chance from his side to address the card anymore.

Don't waste your time with D1, Eplus or O2, they simply don't work with WoronScan. With an old O2/VIAG Interkom card you'll get the first pair of the KI, but not more. D1 and Eplus don't work at all (scans until the end with no collisions).

[Floctiosus]

Almeida, what did the card look like.

Was there written "D2-Privat" or "D2-Mannesmann" on it ?

[Shade.sh]

I successfully extracted the KI out of a 9 year old D2 card (from 1998).

I spoke to the Vodafone hotline and asked whether there is a chance for reactivating this card, at least as a Prepaid card (Callya). No way!
The first thing he told me when I read the numbers on that SIM was "Wow, this is quite an old card, it's from 1998". He tried but in the end he told me that there would be no chance from his side to address the card anymore.

Don't waste your time with D1, Eplus or O2, they simply don't work with WoronScan. With an old O2/VIAG Interkom card you'll get the first pair of the KI, but not more. D1 and Eplus don't work at all (scans until the end with no collisions).

Fullack! German cards are not usable to extract KI. Some members in here tested more then 70 cards with no luck. I think the TurboSIM method should be the best for us german users.

[AlmeidaCTU]

Almeida, what did the card look like.

Was there written "D2-Privat" or "D2-Mannesmann" on it ?

D2 privat!

56 2982x8
22978 x
*V 0172

[Floctiosus]

Ok Thanks !

As far as i can say up to now, its really only possible by using exactly "D2-Privat" Simcard which is still aktiv and very hard to find.

Theres no other sim in germany which works than this one !

If on your Sim is written "D2-Privat" it works.
If theres written "D2-Mannesmann" or something else it does NOT work.

Flo

[kickstart]

@Flo

using an deactivated callya D2-privat SIM from Debitel in the Infinity USB unlimited programmer comes with this log:

Communication problem... closing COM port...
Can't select 3F00 file


i hope you'll have more luck with an still activated D2-privat SIM...

[AlmeidaCTU]

@Flo

using an deactivated callya D2-privat SIM from Debitel in the Infinity USB unlimited programmer comes with this log:

Communication problem... closing COM port...
Can't select 3F00 file


i hope you'll have more luck with an still activated D2-privat SIM...

This is not a problem with your card but with the reader! Recheck communication settings and use the right mode with your Cardreader.

[kickstart]

@AlmeidaCTU

i don't think so, the other tested cards with these settings (3,57 MHz, COM2) are working properly.
The cause will probably be the manufacturer of the SIM.

[Floctiosus]

in my opinion ( after what i know now) this method is dead born ( in germany).

We should switch our energy to the "turbosim" method which should work with ANY Simcard.

(but only theoretic until now)

FLo

[kickstart]

Using the v2.63 software-version for the infinity-programmer you can read out also the old D2-privat and D2-Mannesmann simcards without problems.

At the moment i'm using a supersim made from the Dutch T-Mobile prepaid card.
These are in the present version still V1, in Germany unfortunately with roaming but it works! :rolleyes: