TURBOSIM vs. Stealthsim [Archive]

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nassir

12-10-2007, 08:53 PM

Hi,

After reading almost as much as i can, have decided to go use one of the above sims. I am just not sure which one is better. Appreciate if someone can briefly clarify. Also, by using a turbosim/stealth will my warranty still be intact cuz i wouldnt have software unlocked it. I'm from Dubai...any idea if it might not work here..thans for ur help. much appreciated.

senaisme

12-10-2007, 09:10 PM

You still have to jailbreak your iphone in order to use either TurboSIM or stealth-SIM. In my opinion, stealth-SIM is easier because after you jailbreak it, you do not need to do any configuration like the one you did with Turbo-SIM.
In the other hand, with turbo-SIM, it's more flexible because you can actually program the turbo SIM.
If you're going to use it in Dubai, I'm not sure warranty is an issue because iPhone has not been released in Dubai yet, right? So, even if you have an apple store there, they won't help you. Just my opinion about the warranty.

nassir

12-10-2007, 10:07 PM

Ive read that stealth sim is programmed to shadow at&t. Does that mean it might not work in Dubai? And out of curiosity what would the display show for the operatort
thanks for your response.

aft164

12-11-2007, 12:27 AM

anthongy817

12-11-2007, 12:32 AM

Stealthsim much like Turbosim will work with all region of the iPhone.

With Turbosim, user needs to program it to work with the region they want to use in.

With StealthSim, it works with all region, US, Europe etc... without user doing any programming. StealthSim is little easier to get your iPhone working

But what about future usage? Will the Stealthsim be able to be re-programmed as easily as the Turbosim? Will it use the same programs and files?

What specifically is the difference between the Stealthsim and Turbosim (other than that one is pre-programmed and one is blank)?

racer78

12-11-2007, 12:46 AM

But what about future usage? Will the Stealthsim be able to be re-programmed as easily as the Turbosim? Will it use the same programs and files?

What specifically is the difference between the Stealthsim and Turbosim (other than that one is pre-programmed and one is blank)?

I've used both turbosim and stealthsim and I my opinion:

- Easiest to setup and use right away: STEALTH SIM
- Least expensive: STEALTH SIM
- Break more easily: TURBOSIM
- New upgrades from apple ready: TURBOSIM
- Best service overall from company (shipping, packaging, support): STEALTH SIM

If you plan on being up-to-date with all future upgrades, I would go for the TURBOSIM, since you can reprogram it easily (it has already been reprogrammed to fit new apple upgrades) If you plan on staying with the 1.1.2 I would go for the Stealth Sim. Just my 2 cents. In a few words:

-Plan to upgrade each time apple upgrades: TURBOSIM
-Plan to stay at 1.1.2 and see if in the future stealth can be reprogramed: STEALTH SIM

Other than that, both are exactly the same, in size and in functions (except you can program turbosim to use other memory and sim related functions (which really dont give you any extra value))

PM if you have any questions.

snook562

12-11-2007, 01:41 AM

Or Option C that Apple does nothing to keep the Stealth from working for 1.14 or future updates.
Why would they change anything for that?
I am hopeful that stealth will continue to work also.
If apple wants to stop stealth they will put something also to prevent the TurboSim from working also..
Or no?
S.

Zf_

12-11-2007, 01:45 AM

Offering the service since 2004 at the same price for a highly configurable module : TURBOSIM

Offering the service since a few days at a high price for a non configurable module : STEALTH SIM

make your choice ... and think which company is closer to the community/hacker state of mind :D

snook562

12-11-2007, 02:34 AM

anthongy817

12-11-2007, 03:09 AM

Now this is the type of information/discussion that we need!

Thanks for the reply to my question. Looking forward to more! :)

Maldaen

12-11-2007, 04:44 AM

I personally chose who had the Product ready to Ship..
The TurboSim card was all out of stock and I believe they still are out of Stock
Why would the StealthSim not work on the new updated Firmware?
S.
Apple often changes parts of the firmware and software that TurboSIM and StealthSIM exploit. Since TurboSIM is more easily reprogrammed, it's far more likely to still be of use after a major update.

But I agree with an above poster, if StealthSIM were to ever stop working, it wouldn't be Apple intentionally blocking its use with new software, but just coincidence. If Apple made every intention to block StealthSIM, they'd block ALL available SIM-duping microchips, TurboSIM included.

So as has been said... TurboSIM is going to be out of stock til the end of time, and since StealthSIM has been tested and appears to work just fine with a lot of users of this forum, it's likely to be the best solution at the moment.

nobitaamon

12-11-2007, 05:36 AM

Sorry to interrupt but is StealthSim really that good? I mean the At & T info are hard coded on the chip, so you cant use it if you decide to go on T-Mobile network iPhone. Plus the fact that you are sharing IMSI number with perhaps a few hundred others.. And there might be even a chance Apple come out with a way to block Sim adapter. At least TurboSim can be re program, so the sole survivor might still be TurboSim.. Just my honest opinion.

Nikolas.A

12-11-2007, 10:42 AM

snook562

12-11-2007, 04:50 PM

You guys seem to be really paranoid and making guesses.
Why would it be more likely that TurboSim card survive and Update and the StealthSim cannot..
You guys are talking out your @ss.
And nobitaamon, what are you talking about that it will work with ATT card and not T-mobile..
What are you trying to say here? If you have an ATT card and account why would you want to hack your iPhone. Ofcourse it is meant to work with other carriers.. DUH
!
And some people fail to mention that until last night StealthSim was the only option if you do not want to wait several weeks to "hopefully" get one.
Now the StealthSim has moved into the same problem.. They have more orders than they can fill!!
Mine is in route through fedex to me right now. hoping to get it tomorrow, and I will post how it works on a South Amercian Movi-Star Sim card which has the contacts in the Middle..:+}
S.
Ah yeh PS. Or you can try an wait for some software crack (ain't happening anytime soon) from now until....?????
Good luck

7777

12-12-2007, 09:32 AM

I've used both turbosim and stealthsim and I my opinion:

- Easiest to setup and use right away: STEALTH SIM
- Least expensive: STEALTH SIM
- Break more easily: TURBOSIM
- New upgrades from apple ready: TURBOSIM
- Best service overall from company (shipping, packaging, support): STEALTH SIM

If you plan on being up-to-date with all future upgrades, I would go for the TURBOSIM, since you can reprogram it easily (it has already been reprogrammed to fit new apple upgrades) If you plan on staying with the 1.1.2 I would go for the Stealth Sim. Just my 2 cents. In a few words:

-Plan to upgrade each time apple upgrades: TURBOSIM
-Plan to stay at 1.1.2 and see if in the future stealth can be reprogramed: STEALTH SIM

Other than that, both are exactly the same, in size and in functions (except you can program turbosim to use other memory and sim related functions (which really dont give you any extra value))

PM if you have any questions.
Well explaining,buddy
Turbosim more pro than Stealth,in my opinion

raptorjr

12-12-2007, 12:09 PM

Why would it be more likely that TurboSim card survive and Update and the StealthSim cannot..

But it is no guess that TurboSIM can be reprogrammed and StealthSIM cannot. So if there is a update that blocks the current implementation of TurboSIM and StealthSIM atleast there is a little chance that a TurboSIM can be reprogrammed so it works again. With StealthSIM you cant do anything.

raptorjr

12-12-2007, 12:12 PM

It breaks down to this:

You want a fast and easy solution for a 1.1.2 OTB then get Stealth. Note you might not be able to update to a newer firmware in case they block them.

You want a solution that might survive an update?Turbosim. Note its not a guarantee that it will survive an update and it could take a couple of weeks to order one and 14-30 days to arrive

Btw: I m expecting a 1.1.2 OTB US phone.
I got confused by some posts in the forums.
Is Stealthsim working with US phones and not with Europe, or is it the other way around?
Or is it just nonsence and it works on both region phones

Guess it depends on where you live. I live in Sweden, ordered on Tuesday evening, got mail about shipping on Thursday and had the TurboSIM on Monday. So less than a week. Acceptable shipping time.

But that was 2-3 weeks ago, now you have to wait for them to get in stock again.
But the shipping is pretty fast.

runsnbunsn

12-12-2007, 01:23 PM

so what is the proof that a StealthSIM cannot be reprogrammed?
I assuma they use some kind of EEPROM chip that can be deleted or am I wrong
Anyone ever tried?

simchiner

12-12-2007, 05:03 PM

Does turboSim and stealth sim unlocked phone has all the features enabled?

such as Wifi, Youtube, edge internet , voicemail etc?

snook562

12-13-2007, 01:02 AM

I have everything but have not tried Voice Mail yet..
OOB 1.1.2 StealthSimed!!! :+}
S.

anthongy817

12-13-2007, 05:39 AM

Does turboSim and stealth sim unlocked phone has all the features enabled?

such as Wifi, Youtube, edge internet , voicemail etc?

Turbosim and Stealthsim both only unlocks your phone to be used on other carriers. What you are talking about is activating the iphone (aka jailbreaking), it is included in the instructions on using either Turbosim or Stealthsim.

You can jailbreak your iphone right now and use it as a ipod touch.

hazcona

12-13-2007, 05:52 AM

Apple often changes parts of the firmware and software that TurboSIM and StealthSIM exploit. Since TurboSIM is more easily reprogrammed, it's far more likely to still be of use after a major update.

But I agree with an above poster, if StealthSIM were to ever stop working, it wouldn't be Apple intentionally blocking its use with new software, but just coincidence. If Apple made every intention to block StealthSIM, they'd block ALL available SIM-duping microchips, TurboSIM included.

So as has been said... TurboSIM is going to be out of stock til the end of time, and since StealthSIM has been tested and appears to work just fine with a lot of users of this forum, it's likely to be the best solution at the moment.

<<-- Ordered his a stealthsim yesterday and is waiting for its arrival. i'll post anything up regarding the sim and process. pics and much more.

anthongy817

12-13-2007, 05:58 AM

<<-- Ordered his a stealthsim yesterday and is waiting for its arrival. i'll post anything up regarding the sim and process. pics and much more.

Have yours passed customs yet?

Mine shipped today and Fedex shows that it is scheduled for delivery tomorrow by 10:30AM...basically overnight from Canada to Houston, TX.

martinski

12-13-2007, 03:02 PM

benny

12-13-2007, 04:00 PM

Expensive...
Maybe the 3G iphone will coming months later.
Maybe Jobs will free the carrier..

anthongy817

12-13-2007, 08:16 PM

Hi,

on one of the initial posts it says

"You still have to jailbreak your iphone in order to use either TurboSIM or stealth-SIM"

But I think this is not true for stealth sim as you don't have to run sofware on
the phone. Or am I wrong in thinking this?

M.

Not correct. Even if you have a "working" sim in the iphone, it will not activate your iphone. The iphone originally comes with a "working" AT&T sim, but it still needs activation.

If you look on the installation guide on stealthsims website, it gives you direct instructions to go through the jailbreak process.

martinski

12-14-2007, 10:35 AM

I see. So this is just necessary to activate the phone, but still has nothing to do with the stealth sim requiring any software to run on the phone.

nassir

12-16-2007, 06:40 PM

how is Iworld related to XXXsim? I read it somewhere. Anyone?
Thanks a lot.

sidechain

12-17-2007, 05:38 AM

I see. So this is just necessary to activate the phone, but still has nothing to do with the stealth sim requiring any software to run on the phone.

Jailbreak activates the phone to make it behave like in iPod touch but the StealthSim/TurboSim is needed to Unlock the phone to work - It's a hardware workaround because ANYsim (Software) does not work on the new iPhones.
If you don't jailbreak the iphone thge sim hardware hacks will not work because the iphones are locked (not activated ) from Apple.

cheetah2k

12-17-2007, 11:03 AM

iWorld must be run after jailbreaking / unlocking 1.1.2, as your SMS and phone interface will crash out back to the main menu.

Run it after unlocking (turboSIM, StealthSIM, or other) and select the country origin of the SIM

This will fix the crashing, and also fix the Area Code bug

libya_phone

12-20-2007, 02:34 AM

hi
I'm in dubai and want to buy TurboSIM or stealth-SIM .
can someone give me an address
i will be thankful ...

stuckd

12-22-2007, 01:54 AM

Quick question about the Turbosim. I know that you have to cut both your AT&T simcard and the one you intend to use in order to make the Turbosim work. If my iPhone breaks for other reasons and it is still under warranty, will I be able to return it without the AT&T simcard? I wouldn't want to give them the cut up sim.

Preluder

12-22-2007, 02:33 AM

theburn

12-22-2007, 03:08 AM

i have a different question, does these cards cause any future problems ? I mean with the circuit board of the iphone ?

dgodfather2k5

12-24-2007, 10:42 AM

hi! i have yet to receive my iphone, so as i have learned, all i need to do to get my iphone working is to jailbreak it, using the downgrade to 1.1.1 install oktoprep, open bsd subs, install openssh, upgrade again to 1.1.2 and use the jailbreak 1.1.2. After all of these steps i just need to install iworl. Now the question is, is saudi arabia listed in iworld? sorry just need to be sure and if someone has activated their OTB 1.1.2 here in saudi , any feedback would be very helpful...

Iamz

12-24-2007, 11:03 AM

my US iphone is Activated and using AT&T service,
I would like to use my iphone when I'm overseas (Europe/Asia)
and continue using it when I'm back in the US

my question is my phone is already activated, must i still "jail break" my phone in order to use either Turbo or Stealth SIM?

No, you don't have to jailbreak your iPhone.

If you use StealthSIM or pre-programmed TurboSIM, your iPhone will think the sim card is AT&T's and you can use it right away. Jailbreak is needed when you want to do something with the system partition, such as installing 3rd party app.

Preluder

12-24-2007, 10:46 PM

ok thanks for the clearification

but iWorld only works after installing the InstallApp? jail broken phone?

MSiqueira

12-25-2007, 06:39 AM

No, you don't have to jailbreak your iPhone.

Not quite...

From stealthsim website (http://www.stealthsim.com/):

"[...] You simply need to follow the activation procedure (Jailbreak), install your SIM using StealthSIM and begin enjoying your iPhone"

HVJ

01-02-2008, 12:51 AM

Hi,

What card should I pick if I need to swap between The Netherlands and Denmark frequently. Do both options allow two country sim-cards?

Cheers,

coolnetboy

01-02-2008, 12:58 AM

They TurboSim is way bettter than Stealth Sim

coolnetboy

01-02-2008, 12:59 AM

Stealthsim = many problems
Next FW update = DEAD for StealthSim

iposiniditos

01-02-2008, 03:20 AM

Stealthsim = many problems

could you explain this...?
i have no problems at all.

Sikaffy

01-02-2008, 08:00 AM

To use TurboSIM you have to touch/modific the baseband of the phone?

cartman13

01-03-2008, 12:22 AM

Question on removing and reinstallign stealth sim.

I had someone put the stealth sim in for me. They were selling it locally. I thought I remember people saying you shouldn't take it out once you have it in.

I have the voicemail notification issue with tmo. So i think i need to get a new sim card. Hence my question:

Have people been having more problems after inserting, removing and trying to reinsert the stealth sim?

Any tips on how to keep it working smoothly? thus far I have had very few issues. thanks.

iGun 4 Fun

01-03-2008, 12:34 AM

Stealthsim = many problems
Next FW update = DEAD for StealthSim

HAHAHAH YOU'RE RIGHT!

STEALTHSIM IS OVERRATED PIECE OF SHIT.. it looks kool tho! :D

itstabish

01-03-2008, 01:35 AM

Hello,

I noticed that there are a lot of TurboSIM versions out there and not just the Bladox sim. Are these all the same?

iScotland

01-03-2008, 02:21 AM

HAHAHAH YOU'RE RIGHT!

STEALTHSIM IS OVERRATED PIECE OF SHIT.. it looks kool tho! :D

bollocks. No probs with stealthsim since buying a few weeks back. Arrived from the other side of the world in 3 days, had it working in 5 mins.

-TiLT-

01-03-2008, 02:44 AM

Hello,

I noticed that there are a lot of TurboSIM versions out there and not just the Bladox sim. Are these all the same?

No. Most of them are preprogrammed. TurboSim isnt, and it is reprogrammable. Chances are higher, that if ever Apple finds a way to lock out *sim-users, a solution for Turbosims may be found. Unreprogrammable simcards or factory-programmed cards are locked out, the latter might get (fee required) upgrades

To use TurboSIM you have to touch/modific the baseband of the phone?

No. The reason, why you need to use a TurboSim is that you can not modify the baseband. What you asked/implied would be a bit paradox.

morten_nordholt

01-03-2008, 04:01 PM

Seriously a lot of you guys should do your self and probably a lot of other people a favour and read just about any of the other threads in this forum. A lot of you seem to have absolutely no idea how TurboSim or stealthsim actually works.

To put it in not too technical terms they both give what ever sim card you choose to use an AT&T jacket. This means that no matter what carrier the sim card comes from the iphone will think it's an AT&T(or o2 og T-mobile DE) card. In theory neither of the 2 solutions care about the simcard they are used with. All they want' to do is trick the iphone into thinking that the sims is an AT&T sim even though it's not. Now please sit back and take the time to digest this vital piece of information, it should answer about 2/3 of the questions in this thread.

With turbosim you program the card youself to let it adopt the info on the AT&T card that came with the iphone. With stealtsim this information is already on the card and therefor no programming is necesarry. As every sim card has a unique id the turbosim solution would carry along this id as long as the turbosim is programmed from the sim card that came with the iphone. this would of course not be the case if you use the same AT&T card to program several turbosims. which is excatly the case with stealthsim. Because it is preprogrammed I would assume that the sim id is identical for every stealthsim. As i only have a turbosim card it is only my assumption on the stealthsim. Currently no one has reported any issues with the sim card id so until anyone does there is no reason to believe that it makes any difference.

Now to all the people asking: "i would like to use the *sim everytime I'm abroad...? or "I frequently travle from a to b....?"
The turbosim card is the size of a regular sim card and is overlaid your own simcard and then inserted into the phone. Because it is overlaid it should be somewhat clear that we are talking about a fairly thin piece of electronics here. This thin piece of electronics also has a chip attached to it, ie the thing that holds all the information to trick the iphone. The card can of course take some handling but if you plan to swap simcards every other day I would not recommend turbosim og stealthsim as a solution. It is delicate electronics.

And finally. Stop asking stoopid questions like: "Will any of these have any future implications........etc" How the fuck should anyone know?? Last time I checked the time machine was NOT yet invented. TurboSIM can be reprogrammed, StealthSIM cannot. Which one do you think leaves the best options for change?

And no pun intended on the original poster. It was all the following questions and the wastefull length of the thread that made me react.

Now, I'll be sitting on the bar around the corner waiting for you lazy people to buy me a beer as a thanks for saving you the time spent on reading the other threads.:)

cartman13

01-03-2008, 09:25 PM

For people that travel a lot, i believe there are a few solutions that allow you to put 2 sim cards in one tray allowing you to change between them. But i don't have any personal knowlege of how well it works with an iPhone. I think one of them was called a Hypercard. Does pretty much the same thing, but you have to cut the sim's up a lot more.

VyrusNine

01-04-2008, 07:18 PM

Will using stealthsim or turbosim thorw off the myfaves I have for T-Mobile. And by that I mean will it cause my conversations to use my anytime mins instead of my myfaves

nickx

01-06-2008, 12:16 AM

Okay so my question is where do I start? I just bought a turbosim and would like a bit of direction? I'm on Rogers in Toronto if that helps.

linkx

01-06-2008, 10:25 AM

Okay so my question is where do I start? I just bought a turbosim and would like a bit of direction? I'm on Rogers in Toronto if that helps.

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