STATUS - What is going on? - read here first before posting! (includes rules)

[sam]

In this thread we will report you recent changes in the development.
The below indicator will be updated regulary as soon as I can, please note that I am quite busy with keep the things around here and at IRC together + spending time to development, so it may lagg a bit behind the infos on the wiki. For more information you can see the wiki at http://iphone.fiveforty.net/wiki/ which contain all currently gathered and free-ed information about the iPhone!


The update cycle is just slower because recent thing are based on reversing the phone firmware which is much slower done than the things just bassed on configuration or similiar.

If you ever sit in front of IDA for 8 hours to follow a prorgam flow and do analysis you proberly know what I mean. ;)

Also please note that we NOT stuck ourself completly with the 3rd party code, it's just a needed requirement to get proper working user interface to the phone which we needed to get much easier testing facilities and possibilities to interact with the phone directly whitoout needing to hexedit together arm code injected into a bianry or such, which really cost time.

Along the dev team unlock, the last missing step has absolute priority. We are very international and you may belive me there are more than one person along the dev team who are also more than intrested to see the phone unlocked and be able to finally use it.

Here again, something i wrote on this topic earlier...

well, the unlock will be done once someone had the right idea to solve the problem. lets see what comes with the weekend. noone can promise fast sucess but we do our best.
its worked many many hours each day to archive the goal, 24/7 for real. but as it is with such things, time spirit and ideas are the key, and its hard to give a eta on such things.
please belive me we do our best. I think we do good atm ( see toolchain, new tools and research results etc.) but all we can tell is it will be done once its done.
all research is open and it will be public as soon we found the missing bit but in the meantime all you can do is wait for the day white smoke rises and its done.
for anyone who wants to supports actively, feel free to join IRC and work with us at a solution or send a donation for the team so maybe the basicneeds could be covered. thanks


Please keep in mind that all people in thsi development are doing this for free as their hobby.
If anything new exciting is found it will be reported instantly on the wiki. But please let us the time to work.
If someone is willing to help with reversing ARM code we welcome you also very much on IRC. :)


Quick status indicator:

UNLOCK - yes
3RD PARTY CODE - yes
SYSTEM ACCESS - yes
ACCESS TO DMG - yes
ACTIVATION - yes

Offers like http://iphoneunlocking.com or other similar things are fake. Don't get yourself fooled and honestly I wouldn't give my IMEI or eMail to anyone who asks.

Please don't post threads like "is it unlocked yet?". Threads like this will be closed or removed to keep an eye on the important things. Thank you :)

Short FAQ:
Q: When will the phone be unlocked?
A: I suspect a first solution within the next week, but it can also take a day or two weeks. It's not like developing a Tetrs game, it's really hard work and tires a lot of us.

Q: How will unlock work?
A: We not know yet, we prefer to find a software solution.

Q: Is unlock the only goal?
A: No we started with other intends like bringing the phone i.e. 3rd party possibilites as well, unlocking is a welcome side effect for many of you and a needed point for us as well.

Q: AT&T unlock codes?
A: Is personal and checks token from the apple webserver if really exist.

Q: Youtube?
A: Does not work with a Jon activated phone.

Q: How can I support this project?
A: Read the doantion thread, any help is welcome as we are not advertisment financed. We can use any doantions. All theserver for forum, irc and wiki cost a lot. Thanks for anyone who supported us so far.

[Van]

http://iphone.fiveforty.net/ .

this page cannot be opened.

[sam]

I fixed the URL, sorry I was badly tired :(

[sam]

UPDATE ON RULES:

- post clones of Jon's work with a proper topic, we don't need misleading topics all over the place with links to ad filled sites.
- give the original author credit, it's just fair if you use other people's research results and possibly even code.
- no strange advertisment

[beej69]

this should be updated to say 3rd party code: Yes :)

[pendalf]

hey guys,

5 days are over since the last report on wiki! maybe is time to give a intermedian result! even if the result is, that you didn´t make any progress...

is just my feeling: i´m dying here in expection, please let me know how far are you? have we even a chance to get iPhone unlocked?

thanks pen

[sam]

The process is complicated, as some mor emilestones with the toolchain process have been reached I wil lcatalyse to get an update on the wiki soon.

[afterdigital]

sam

could you brief us on

3rd party code

Sounds very exciting and clarity would be nice....

[sam]

The informatin on the toolcahin and such are available from our wiki.

[petemag]

Great guys! I really admire your work - wish I could help you out with the technical part, I'll donate some money though. Thank you for your effort so far and hope to see you unlock an iPhone soon.

Petemag, Faroe Islands

[petemag]

Hey Sam. Just wanted you to confirm that you sent me an email with the donation email...

[sam]

Yes, I did, hope this was ok :)

[petemag]

Yeah, no problem... just wanted to make sure it wasn't scam....

[Dave]

i know thats asking to much and im very happy your working on it but how long will the unlock take?

[petemag]

i know thats asking to much and im very happy your working on it but how long will the unlock take?

Yeah, could you update on the unlocking?

[sam]

well, the unlock will be done once someone had the right idea to solve the problem. lets see what comes with the weekend. noone can promise fast sucess but we do our best.
its worked many many hours each day to archive the goal, 24/7 for real. but as it is with such things, time spirit and ideas are the key, and its hard to give a eta on such things.
please belive me we do our best. I think we do good atm ( see toolchain, new tools and research results etc.) but all we can tell is it will be done once its done.
all research is open and it will be public as soon we found the missing bit but in the meantime all you can do is wait for the day white smoke rises and its done.
for anyone who wants to supports actively, feel free to join IRC and work with us at a solution or send a donation for the team so maybe the basicneeds could be covered. thanks :)

[RVN84]

Sam, do you still need/take donations? if so PM me or email me. I read the entire donation threead but since it addressed "buying an iphone for first trials" and we are far past that, I dont know what kind of donation would be in order. I'm sure money is always handy, but are you taking that?

As I said previously I have 3 iPhones which I can activate with AT&T (one is already running ATT) and I can run any sort of dump or something you'd like under windows... if you need it let me know, or send me the pp add...

best!

[Dave]

Im this has to be hardest phone to unlock? Whats so diffrenet?

[997TT]

Im this has to be hardest phone to unlock? Whats so diffrenet?

I think what is different is iTunes and I also think that Apple/AT&T will actually try to block unlocked phones from iTunes sync, which would be a catastrophy for many owners who buy iTunes DRM protected stuff from Apple.
It is also very likely that the lock of the SIM isn't only in the phone itself, I think that Apple/AT&T are actually using a combination of activation/verification method, using iTunes as some sort of "certified mediator" to a possible server who checks if the phone is still locked or not, resulting in a special "reply" to iTunes to tell iTunes if the phone is locked or unlocked. Just a theory. I know that the real lock is in the baseband stuff but I also think that it is difficult because there is iTunes and that almost every iPhone owner needs (or wants) to connect the iPhone to iTunes to be able to sync stuff or to buy new stuff.

Oh boy, I'm pretty sure that Apple/AT&T will rain HELL on us as soon as the unlock is available. :(

[shiney]

wat if our devs create a software based on itunes to copy and remove data??..or say sync...dat will be a great sigh of relief...

[Dave]

I remember when the iphone first come out wiki would update there site like at 6.00 , 8.00 or 12.00. But now they usaly update in 3-4 days.Im sure they have something to tell us. Because i think we all feel like where missing out on something important.

[sam]

The update cycle is just slower because recent thing are based on reversing the phone firmware which is much slower done than the things just bassed on configuration or similiar.

If you ever sit in front of IDA for 8 hours to follow a prorgam flow and do analysis you proberly know what I mean. ;)

Also please note that we NOT stuck ourself completly with the 3rd party code, it's just a needed requirement to get proper working user interface to the phone which we needed to get much easier testing facilities and possibilities to interact with the phone directly whitoout needing to hexedit together arm code injected into a bianry or such, which really cost time.

Along the dev team unlock, the last missing step has absolute priority. We are very international and you may belive me there are more than one person along the dev team who are also more than intrested to see the phone unlocked and be able to finally use it.

Here again, something i wrote on this topic earlier...

well, the unlock will be done once someone had the right idea to solve the problem. lets see what comes with the weekend. noone can promise fast sucess but we do our best.
its worked many many hours each day to archive the goal, 24/7 for real. but as it is with such things, time spirit and ideas are the key, and its hard to give a eta on such things.
please belive me we do our best. I think we do good atm ( see toolchain, new tools and research results etc.) but all we can tell is it will be done once its done.
all research is open and it will be public as soon we found the missing bit but in the meantime all you can do is wait for the day white smoke rises and its done.
for anyone who wants to supports actively, feel free to join IRC and work with us at a solution or send a donation for the team so maybe the basicneeds could be covered. thanks


Please keep in mind that all people in thsi development are doing this for free as their hobby.
If anything new exciting is found it will be reported instantly on the wiki. But please let us the time to work.
If someone is willing to help with reversing ARM code we welcome you also very much on IRC. :)

[Dave]

thanks thats good to hear.

[osldwm]

I thought the phone was now unlocked fully, SIM and all... why is the status still LOCKED? :confused:

[Newchurch71]

Bullshit - the SuperSIM method is not a full unlock of the iphone, just a workaround.

[osldwm]

Doesn't the Unlock status mean, unlocked and ready to be used as a phone? If so, then the phone is unlocked.. users claim to be able to use it as a phone etc. Isn't that the whole issue here?

[pendalf]

Doesn't the Unlock status mean, unlocked and ready to be used as a phone? If so, then the phone is unlocked.. users claim to be able to use it as a phone etc. Isn't that the whole issue here?


take a look on the firs post in this thread,
when there stay unlock=yes and this is green,
first then we do have the total unlock.

:D

[goodcompany]

It is not unlocked as much as it is fooled into thinking it is still with AT&T...which may be the end result of the software unlock anyway. But is still more of a hack than an unlock, IMO.

[musabshaikh]

yup....would love for it to happen....but im loosin hope :(

[theviolator]

That is so true, but the only problem is ---> Firmware update :)

Actually thats a damn good idea, what I need is just a software which I can use to put music or video files on my iPhone ;)

[phenomic]

I am loosing faith because of the lack of updates.
Even 'no progression yet' updates would take that away, but hearing/reading nothing for dayyyyyyyys on the wiki-dev is not really comforting ;-(

[JohnBond]

Perhaps you should think twice, longer periods without updates could also mean more information in the updates.

[jekyoo_style]

Once the dev team unlocks the iphone, I'm curious how we're all going to be able to unlock it.

[sakurachung]

Guys not much update from you all whats up man .:(
are we far away from the true unlock ?

[Macindows]

I say from now it will be less than 7 days till wiki-dev unlocked the iPhone. What do you think?

[marcac75]

How can you say 7 days ya moron when ya have not got a clue ???? the unlock code will be avaliable when its avaliable and no amount of predictions from goons like yourself will help to unlock it so just wait and be patient and these guys will sort it, but give em a bit of time and space to work there magic. :) :)

[Macindows]

@Marcac
How about you cool down a bit? Calling me a moron and a goon? Who the hell you think you are? I was simply asking others, how long they would think it's gonna take till it's unlocked. No pressure to wiki-dev or anyone else.

[997TT]

@Marcac
How about you cool down a bit? Calling me a moron and a goon? Who the hell you think you are? I was simply asking others, how long they would think it's gonna take till it's unlocked. No pressure to wiki-dev or anyone else.

I agree, calling you a moron is too harsh and we don't accept personal attacks.
This is one thing.
The other thing is: asking all the time about a progress or when the unlock is going to be available is indeed not very helpful.
When the unlock is ready, it is going to be ready. Very simple. Asking about it all the time just inflates this thread further and further and we don't gain anything from it.

If you guys wonder why there hasn't been much progress lately since the NORDump, well: have you guys ever heard about the CCC 2007?! ;)
So just give these guys a break. Thanks. :)

[sam]

Hello,

greetings from the camp side. We are currently working here and haveing some great time as well. Please excuse the lag of info but the outbound connection from the ground is not really secure :D This is still a large scale hacker event and I have to use VPN and SSH secured outbound to even be able to write here.

Because of the nature there is much stuff going on here, we also spend a bit of our time to attend some talks and such. Please have some patience, dev still going on but also a bit of break to get some new brainfood, cause there are many very intresting people around here.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4507/phoneta9.jpg

[eddy123]

I agree, calling you a moron is too harsh and we don't accept personal attacks.
This is one thing.
The other thing is: asking all the time about a progress or when the unlock is going to be available is indeed not very helpful.
When the unlock is ready, it is going to be ready. Very simple. Asking about it all the time just inflates this thread further and further and we don't gain anything from it.

If you guys wonder why there hasn't been much progress lately since the NORDump, well: have you guys ever heard about the CCC 2007?! ;)
So just give these guys a break. Thanks. :)

Ya. They are great team and work for unlocking iPhone using their time (and money?). We should support them rather than always asking the team to finish the unlock work ASAP:)

[matt77]

the wiki is down ???

[pendalf]

its true!

sam, whats happend?

[sam]

I think the database is just not conencting, will talk to the hoster whats up there.

[pendalf]

@sam:

the link: http://www.daeken.com:8876/ on the wiki doesn´t work!

fixed :D

[Dave]

Whats up with the unlock?

[Trax]

A few days ago, you said on the wiki that you where gonna release a "geeky" feature at the ccc, you still intend to release that? :)

[DaveGee]

Whats up with the unlock?

If they had something to say about the STATUS of the unlock don't you think they would!?!?!

Do you (not *just* you, but all those folks who keep asking) really feel the need to have them take time away from the important things they are working on to post an hour by hour day by day basis that the unlock isn't available yet.... Give em a break folks... I know it aint easy but the constant bugging isn't helping the cause one single bit and if anything is DETRACTING from the cause.

Wow the way some people act they equate unlocking the iPhone to ordering a 10 piece chicken McNugget with french fries and a coke... Unlocking isn't something they just 'whip up with a side of BBQ sauce and call it a day...' it's a MAJOR and UNCHARTED effort...

When its done it's done...

Dave

[theviolator]

Very true.... "when it's done it's done.....or not" :)

[hak]

Apparently Hong Kong has some truly unlocked iPHones going for $2K a pop. I wonder if it is a true unlock or a TurboSim "unlock"

[pendalf]

no update on wiki since 12 days!
are you guys buying some turbo sims?

[cashgrow]

it was written on a norwegian serious site that it was based on the Turbosim method but they didnt want to share details. and it was confirmed that they it worked. hm... i wonder if it is possible to implement applesaft into the software in some way..
beacuse if they use the "regular" turbosim method the customers have to give the shop their simcard and take it to the backroom, and 10-20 minutes later they´ll come back with a cutoff simcard with a black racksack. and that would be kinda weird wouldnt it?
they could for all the customers know copied the simcard or something..

[nofearl]

Is this the silence before the storm?

[konrad_68]

No it is infinite silence

[997TT]

Apparently Hong Kong has some truly unlocked iPHones going for $2K a pop. I wonder if it is a true unlock or a TurboSim "unlock"

What do you think? :p There is no unlock available yet. Period.

[997TT]

No it is infinite silence

There has never been a timeframe set for the unlock, I don't understand why people are that impatient. If you can't wait, there are two(one) alternative methods which allow using the phone module of the iPhone.
If they're too complicated, too expensive or maybe not safe (future firmware updates may render these methods useless) enough, just WAIT for the unlock.
It takes time and I think the Dev Team explained pretty well that this is no easy job. Maybe you guys are too distracted by some urban legends floating around the internet, claiming that the unlock is available or will be available soon. Some scam artists apparently thought in their stupidity that the unlock will be a fast job, so they prepared the "terrain" for selling the free unlock method for big money. Apparently they fell into their own "trap" and now some seem to be even in serious trouble because they accepted money from customers and they can't deliver. Bad luck I guess. :D

[croatsensation1]

I agree, waiting for the true unlock is important. But in our instantly gratifying society it has become harder to wait patiently. But alas we must wait. I think the Dev team is doing a great job and i truly believe we will be using the phone sooner rather than later. ( As you can see i am an optimist)

[konrad_68]

I agree let's wait. after all Patience is a virtue and Silence is a virtue (that one goes to dev team)

[FromVenezuela]

...but also I believe that Communication is a way to motivate people and keep them engaged with your/them goals and objectives.

We do need to receive feedback from the dev team about how's going the unlocking. Is not only putting the STATUS as a semaphore and everybody is checking it everyday. Sometimes you are in the middle of a traffic, waiting for the semaphore to come green and really is not functioning.

One question, how long has been the Latest Progress Report published at the web? Don't you think is time to change it? Does not have to be good news...we can accept bad or promising news...I don't know, is just my opinion.

Regards,
FromVenezuela

[eddy123]

What do you think? :p There is no unlock available yet. Period.

Actually it works perfectly. If you define unlock as to use iPhone as a phone without AT&T , it is. If you define unlock is to wait the hard working team to release the software unlock option in the infinite future, it is not.:(

[eddy123]

I agree let's wait. after all Patience is a virtue and Silence is a virtue (that one goes to dev team)

I agree the team is working hard. but it looks like unlocking the iPhone is not that easy and it may take over a year

[nofearl]

same here, looking for good/bad/any news.. having an idea of whats going on would keep us silent...

[nofearl]

Actually it works perfectly. If you define unlock as to use iPhone as a phone without AT&T , it is. If you define unlock is to wait the hard working team to release the software unlock option in the infinite future, it is not.:(

tricking the iphone to see your sim as att is not an unlock, phone is still locked to att...

I, for one, looking for comments from the DEV team, if it could take longer then a couple months or if there are very little difficulties left to unlock the device..

[sam]

It's beening worked on a unlock solution, still, night and day. The work on the firmware is difficult and tiresome but will not stop until a solution is found.
Working with the firmware is far from easy understanding what it does like in having source code or documentation, it's not just simple reading through it or looking a few things up in a documentation.
Firmware is even different from reversing some simple applications or even complex algorithem in applications or similar, it's a much more complicated and tiresome task.
Please have some patience with it ans be happy you can have a simple tem solution like the Bladox Turbosim.
The SGold2 baseband used is very advanced. Infineon put a lot of time and engineers brain cells into the task of securing this device. They knew any existing lock solution has been broken in the past and advertise their chipset as hacker resistent. You might know the Siemens phones based on it were broken, but this is not Siemens who used their own shitty firmware with low security. The real Infineon firm is much more resistent and difficult to defeat.
SGold2, the real one never has been broken, but it will hopefully in the near future fall and capitulate to the simple rule of the game, if its man made it can be broken by man.
In the meantime, you can support us with a donation. The work on the research on the baseband cost, not even hell lot of time, but also some amounts of money for special hardware and other resources.
Another nice way to support us would be to supply us in privat with the SGold2 docs or at least some glaces in important chapter, but thats beyond the possibilities of most.
In any case be assured, none gave up or ran away from this "hard nut", still the work continues 24/7, for the simple goal, a free and open for all iPhone.

[FacelessQ8]

Dear Dev Team
I've been watching this dev prj starting two weeks after the iphone release (I think), and I have to say it, I really admire your work and dedication. :)
I still have my iphone beside my friend's, cars and superheroes (since I came home one week after the release), which I have to look at every morning before going to work, and its killing me like most of you here. :mad:
I just wana say, keep up the good work guys (and girls), ppl from all over the world are waiting for your work to be completed, and whenever someone refers to your forum there has to be a good sentence about you. one advice is to stay cool :cool:

[Palestro]

Dear DevTeam...

Keep up the good work.

I have a sugestion for all thoose people who are waiting. Could you give a time? For example, what do you think? Does it take days or weeks or month? What do you think?

Its because all the people are waiting and if you say it takes for then weeks, people can decide to buy the turbo/supersim solution.

Kind Regards!

[FacelessQ8]

Dear DevTeam...

Keep up the good work.

I have a sugestion for all thoose people who are waiting. Could you give a time? For example, what do you think? Does it take days or weeks or month? What do you think?

Its because all the people are waiting and if you say it takes for then weeks, people can decide to buy the turbo/supersim solution.

Kind Regards!

i agree with you but this is my opinion :)

Time limit :o everybody wish for it i doubt it coz the phone is just released and there are more updates coming, and update means more problems.
Other solutions, wont work for long time, and still make ur iphone hackable by others, i'd rather waiting for one more time than killing my iphone in few weeks. call me stingy but i wana enjoy my phone :)

[Dave]

...but also I believe that Communication is a way to motivate people and keep them engaged with your/them goals and objectives.

We do need to receive feedback from the dev team about how's going the unlocking. Is not only putting the STATUS as a semaphore and everybody is checking it everyday. Sometimes you are in the middle of a traffic, waiting for the semaphore to come green and really is not functioning.

One question, how long has been the Latest Progress Report published at the web? Don't you think is time to change it? Does not have to be good news...we can accept bad or promising news...I don't know, is just my opinion.


i agree.

its been like 14 days since dev updated, i think a lot of people or starting to feel like dev just gave up, because no news in 14 days i think thats the longest period of time that dev has not wrote anything. Please some news.that would make me feel a lot better. Even : Hi everyone, were still working on the unlock more news tommorow.

[Palestro]

thats exactly what i mean!

[jlor]

It's not a requirement for us, the user, to be motivated towards an unlock. In some cases it's even outright destructive.

The devs work dedicated (re: sams post yesterday , in this thread), and towards a single goal - that goal is hard as he** to reach, so they have not had anything to post lately. Fair enough, why would we need to know "Today we figured out another step of the firmware, we're still not really any closer to cracking the locks". That would be destructive. Both for the dev team and the users.
What the dev team needs is time, and donations, and a manual on this thing :D The last part is wishful thinking though.. I have a few friends in semi-high places inside programming and mobile companies, and they have not been able to provide me with the specifications so I could pass them on :/

But I think it's BS to say that just because no major news has been broken within 14 days it would make people feel the dev team gave up! And to be honest it would seem childish and unprofessional to just write "Still working, more news tomorrow" every day on a webpage. THAT would make me loose faith in the dev team.

[phenomic]

I was about to donate money to the dev-wiki-team, but, now with more than 2 weeks no updates, i am NOT going to give money.

I respect all the hard work, and i also understand it is really hard to make progress, but if you people do not take the time and effort to communicate to the people who are interested in your project and willing to SPONSOR YOU, i am NOT going to give
money to you guys.

I'm sorry to put it this way, but this is how I feel about it.

Communicating plain *nothing* is not building up a thrustworthy relationship with your 'investors'.

By the way, i would not even have felt bad if in the end the dev-wiki was not able to crack the unlock. having invested money.
It would have been just fun involved in the proces and following the 'geeks' while trying.

Apparently, the dev-wiki team choose another road to go down to. Well, good luck, but without my support then.

[FacelessQ8]

thx phenomic for ur kind words and hard work with the team, if anyone have the same thing to add please do it outside these pages.
if u r waiting for the Dev team, stick to their rules otherwise keep ur thoughts for ur self.
these guys r offering their services without even known us. and we should at least respect this. :cool:

[Dave]

its feels wrong that the dev team is doing this for free.there putting there time(life) into this and will get nothing in return.

[eddy123]

thx phenomic for ur kind words and hard work with the team, if anyone have the same thing to add please do it outside these pages.
if u r waiting for the Dev team, stick to their rules otherwise keep ur thoughts for ur self.
these guys r offering their services without even known us. and we should at least respect this. :cool:

:) I am waiting and really thanks to their hard work. Let's think positive. While the dev team working hard with the software unlock, let's trick the iPhone first if you can't wait. I just hope their bladox will continue to have more TurboSIM to fill the demand. :D

[fabiolr]

Guys, let them work, they are doing their jobs... Instead of complaining, logon to your paypal account and send them some cash... I just did that, and I feel very good about it.

[marcodiver]

I see a lot of stressed and pretending peoples around here.
This is NOT a shop where you go and buy something !
This is NOT a contract you signed with somebody expeting something in return of your money !

You guys decided freely to buy something that IS LOCKED. That's your free choice.
Now you pretend somebody else to perform a so difficult task (you can't even know from where to start in doing that) for you.
You pretend that those expert find the way to hack your toy, and pretend they do it NOW.

You are even insulting them and trying to blackmail them using (but not giving) your bloody money.

Do you have no shame ?

When i decided to buy mi iPhone i knew (as all of you) the risk. That's the game.
Take it or leave it.

I'm checking this site many times a day as all of you and i'm anxious as all of you but men what the hell do you want from them ?
Which title do you have toward them ?

If you invest some of your time in reading all the ptreads you may find already a solution, it can be temporary, but it works.

I'm shocked on how many peoples that can't write a one line batch file are screaming and shouting "i want" here.

I don't like not knowing what's going on but i understand it's a difficult task so if you can't be decent in asking just keep your mouh shut.


Hi to everyone
Marco

[Frisky Dingo]

I see a lot of stressed and pretending peoples around here.
This is NOT a shop where you go and buy something !
This is NOT a contract you signed with somebody expeting something in return of your money !

You guys decided freely to buy something that IS LOCKED. That's your free choice.
Now you pretend somebody else to perform a so difficult task (you can't even know from where to start in doing that) for you.
You pretend that those expert find the way to hack your toy, and pretend they do it NOW.

You are even insulting them and trying to blackmail them using (but not giving) your bloody money.

Do you have no shame ?

When i decided to buy mi iPhone i knew (as all of you) the risk. That's the game.
Take it or leave it.

I'm checking this site many times a day as all of you and i'm anxious as all of you but men what the hell do you want from them ?
Which title do you have toward them ?

If you invest some of your time in reading all the ptreads you may find already a solution, it can be temporary, but it works.

I'm shocked on how many peoples that can't write a one line batch file are screaming and shouting "i want" here.

I don't like not knowing what's going on but i understand it's a difficult task so if you can't be decent in asking just keep your mouh shut.


Hi to everyone
Marco

I agree with you Marco. I'm waiting for the unlock too. I check this site like 39829 times a day to see if there is any new news, but I also realize that these people are doing this all for free so don't pester them. Who knows, maybe one day we'll visit the site and see that yellow progress square turn green. So for now, try to get the turbo sim or something to get it working if you must. Thank the Dev team, they didn't have to do ANY of this.

[Ahmedmuh]

well said Marco

[ag886]

Geohot has done it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/

Enjoy

[croatsensation1]

Wow, it states a software unlock maybe in a week or is it hardware unlock has anyone read it to explain if this is the software unlock?

[eddy123]

Wow, it states a software unlock maybe in a week or is it hardware unlock has anyone read it to explain if this is the software unlock?
It looks like they are still using hardware to burn the iPhone chips or something? Do I getting it wrong?:confused:

[GTRTam]

Geohot said he expects to release a software unlock solution in one week hopefully. He also thanks the Dev Team.

Congrats !

[croatsensation1]

Lets keep hoping that a software solution is done sooner than later, but this is good news and a good step forward to that solution. Keep up the great work.

[jowo]

COOL~ thanks for the hard work :)

[997TT]

I was about to donate money to the dev-wiki-team, but, now with more than 2 weeks no updates, i am NOT going to give money.

I respect all the hard work, and i also understand it is really hard to make progress, but if you people do not take the time and effort to communicate to the people who are interested in your project and willing to SPONSOR YOU, i am NOT going to give
money to you guys.

I'm sorry to put it this way, but this is how I feel about it.

Communicating plain *nothing* is not building up a thrustworthy relationship with your 'investors'.

By the way, i would not even have felt bad if in the end the dev-wiki was not able to crack the unlock. having invested money.
It would have been just fun involved in the proces and following the 'geeks' while trying.

Apparently, the dev-wiki team choose another road to go down to. Well, good luck, but without my support then.

If you didn't support them by now, this means that you're only looking for an excuse not to donate. No problem with that, just be a man and admit it or just keep it quiet and enjoy their hard work for free. :D

[goodcompany]

I was about to donate money to the dev-wiki-team, but, now with more than 2 weeks no updates, i am NOT going to give money.

I respect all the hard work, and i also understand it is really hard to make progress, but if you people do not take the time and effort to communicate to the people who are interested in your project and willing to SPONSOR YOU, i am NOT going to give
money to you guys.

I'm sorry to put it this way, but this is how I feel about it.

Communicating plain *nothing* is not building up a thrustworthy relationship with your 'investors'.

By the way, i would not even have felt bad if in the end the dev-wiki was not able to crack the unlock. having invested money.
It would have been just fun involved in the proces and following the 'geeks' while trying.

Apparently, the dev-wiki team choose another road to go down to. Well, good luck, but without my support then.

Dear douche-bag,

A couple of points.

It's the hard work of the dev team here that, together with Geohot and others, has opened the door on a true unlock. No dev team, no unlock. Simple as that.

These guys are probably holding down full time jobs at the same time working nights and weekends to come to a solution. They are not communication specialists. And they don't need to be in order to be entitled to your "investment". Which I am sure was going to be *huge*.

Lastly, you sound absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe I am even trying to reason with you. Enjoy the "free" unlock when it's released.

[phenomic]

Dear douche-bag,

A couple of points.

It's the hard work of the dev team here that, together with Geohot and others, has opened the door on a true unlock. No dev team, no unlock. Simple as that.

These guys are probably holding down full time jobs at the same time working nights and weekends to come to a solution. They are not communication specialists. And they don't need to be in order to be entitled to your "investment". Which I am sure was going to be *huge*.

Lastly, you sound absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe I am even trying to reason with you. Enjoy the "free" unlock when it's released.

Easy bashing now the unlock is near. My message was written 4 days ago, when the wiki was not updated for weeks and everything was pointing to a dead end, without any info being shared for a long tim (which gives out the impression no progress is being made, because earlier every little progress was reported)

I dont think it is unreasable to ask time-to-time updates if you donate money to a project. Always nice to know where your money went, and it gives a good feeling if you can that YOUR money made a difference (for e.g. buying extra iphones, additional equipment etc).

Do you have 100 people working for you, on the payroll, and have no idea about what they are doing ???? Thats what i am pointing out.

On the donation part, i'm reconsidering my earlier statement.

With your shouting at me about HUGE investments, i understand that you already transferred your paycheck to them? ;-)

Let's not make a big thing out of this, i was just opening the discussion, it does not take a lot of effort to make SOME progress-statements on the wiki from time to time, as a return favour for people who donate to the project.

This has nothing to do with the communication-skills of the devproject and if they have full-time jobs aside of it.

Grtz

[chiefwhite]

If you don't want to donate, so do not donate, but don't waste time on making excuses and don't try to blame someone for your greed. The guys already made a lot of things and everyone already has a reason to donate.

[OZiPhone]

Can the Dev team shed some light on this - www.iphonesimfree.SCAM

Apparently a Software unlock is being released. Is this a scam site or has another Dev team achieved a 100% unlock.

[hydra]

Can the Dev team shed some light on this - www.iphonesimfree.SCAM

Apparently a Software unlock is being released. Is this a scam site or has another Dev team achieved a 100% unlock.


scam for sure, believe me the unlock app they are going to sell is geohot unlock software solution when it is released. the app is going to say iphone unlocked thanks to geohot or something similar.

it is clear which people have been directly involved in the task of unlocking our iphones in one way or another and the tools that have been developed for the task. those are the people that we should give our thanks.

regards
hydra

[sam]

I take a bet, its scam who specualtes on the sw unlock.

[1town]

scam for sure, believe me the unlock app they are going to sell is geohot unlock software solution when it is released. the app is going to say iphone unlocked thanks to geohot or something similar.

it is clear which people have been directly involved in the task of unlocking our iphones in one way or another and the tools that have been developed for the task. those are the people that we should give our thanks.

regards
hydra

Unless this is geohot's way of making money on the side, I really doubt it was made with his unlock in mind.

The domain was registered on august 19th

[goodcompany]

Easy bashing now the unlock is near. My message was written 4 days ago, when the wiki was not updated for weeks and everything was pointing to a dead end, without any info being shared for a long tim (which gives out the impression no progress is being made, because earlier every little progress was reported)

I dont think it is unreasable to ask time-to-time updates if you donate money to a project. Always nice to know where your money went, and it gives a good feeling if you can that YOUR money made a difference (for e.g. buying extra iphones, additional equipment etc).

Do you have 100 people working for you, on the payroll, and have no idea about what they are doing ???? Thats what i am pointing out.

On the donation part, i'm reconsidering my earlier statement.

With your shouting at me about HUGE investments, i understand that you already transferred your paycheck to them? ;-)

Let's not make a big thing out of this, i was just opening the discussion, it does not take a lot of effort to make SOME progress-statements on the wiki from time to time, as a return favour for people who donate to the project.

This has nothing to do with the communication-skills of the devproject and if they have full-time jobs aside of it.

Grtz
For the record, I didn't see your post 4 days ago, and I wasn't shouting. Just turning up the snark a notch. Mine goes up to 11.

Your comment certainly opened a discussion, though to be frank, I don't think that was the point of what you wrote. It was just a frustrated rant. And fair enough, I can understand the frustration with waiting for something that you don't really understand and can't control. I feel that way every time I read the words "Baseband NOR".

But consider next time opening a discussion in a less confrontational way, with a more restrained use OF THE CAPS LOCK. And I'll consider next time not calling you out as a douche bag (my bad).

With regard to my own contribution, I donated 25 bucks on day two or three after the establishment of the dev wiki. Not my paycheck (thankfully), but a little something to say "thanks" and to support their work. Perhaps more importantly than that 25 bucks, I have not been clogging up their dev forum with irate posts demanding progress reports.

I hope you will enjoy the unlock when it comes, and remember, it's not too late to show some support. ...or is it?

[sam]

There have been offers to participate in this stuff, we definatly rejected it. Thats business, not hacking and against the free and open way.


Was speaking to a business associate. If you could get a massive funding off a company would you guys allow the final unlock software solution to be sold to iPhone users and a large percentage of the unlock software sales to go to a company that funds this?

In any case, work on a software solution will continue and published as it is available for EVERYONE and for FREE.

About the update issue:

We think its onyl worth to update the wiki if something intresting and important happens. In our opinion there is no need to post some uber 31337 pic of a iphone in diffrent positions on the workbench every day. If you really want this we can esablish a flickr account and upload 100 pics from the dev, you can than watch a new one every hour :D
As you can see from the posting history of latest updates, every update contained some valueable information. We are keen on working out things for YOU but the time we would spend in pointeless, nothing saying, updates can be better spend to real work effort.
Sure you want to be informed, I have no doubt many of you waited for days and checked the pages wiki and forum multiple times a day, but hey, would you have been happy to see just a bunch of PR rumor spreading stuff, which would rise your expectations, make you more mad and end you beeing sad because nothing really turned up?
We choose the way, quality before quanity and I as the others think we are on the right path here, if someone disagrees, I am sure open for discussion but I think the above explains the reasons very well :)
For talk and something to do during the updates, IRC is always a welcoem place, to discuss, learn and maybe even participate in efforts.

[OZiPhone]

There have been offers to participate in this stuff, we definatly rejected it. Thats business, not hacking and against the free and open way.



In any case, work on a software solution will continue and published as it is available for EVERYONE and for FREE.

About the update issue:

We think its onyl worth to update the wiki if something intresting and important happens. In our opinion there is no need to post some uber 31337 pic of a iphone in diffrent positions on the workbench every day. If you really want this we can esablish a flickr account and upload 100 pics from the dev, you can than watch a new one every hour :D
As you can see from the posting history of latest updates, every update contained some valueable information. We are keen on working out things for YOU but the time we would spend in pointeless, nothing saying, updates can be better spend to real work effort.
Sure you want to be informed, I have no doubt many of you waited for days and checked the pages wiki and forum multiple times a day, but hey, would you have been happy to see just a bunch of PR rumor spreading stuff, which would rise your expectations, make you more mad and end you beeing sad because nothing really turned up?
We choose the way, quality before quanity and I as the others think we are on the right path here, if someone disagrees, I am sure open for discussion but I think the above explains the reasons very well :)
For talk and something to do during the updates, IRC is always a welcoem place, to discuss, learn and maybe even participate in efforts.

Nice quote Sam. That would have been what i wrote to you. You are speculating i am involved in the Software Unlcock site, well thats incorrect. I guess someone else is wanting to make money off all this too.

[sam]

answer: http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showpost.php?p=21762&postcount=126

[OZiPhone]

answer: http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showpost.php?p=21762&postcount=126

Its not answered Sam. I have nothing to do with the software unlock site that went up. Its pure coincidence. Yeah my idea would have been great to do but as you stated its not what you guys are into, which is fair enough.

[jowo]

with geohot hardware unlock, does it help the dev team for working software unlock? or we still have a long way to go?? :confused:

[sam]

The Hardware unlock way is not transferable to software unlock.

[shiney]

we believe in you sam and the devs....u know apart from being very far i have full knowledge of the iphone due to the devs....thanx guys...i have a bet wid my brother he says they can't unlock it to other operators but i have full confidence in god and u that we will be successful....keep up d great work...:)

[ysury]

BTW Sam, do you have any idea how long the final SIMlock by software will be found? Or, maybe how many percent from completition?

Just curious... :)

[ashraf@samawi.com]

it's been found...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/i...ugust-24-2007/

[bowser]

Now the interesting question would be...who are on the iPhoneSimFree.com team? Does the Dev team have something to do with this?
I don't know, still hoping that the Dev team will save the day and release the software unlock for free.

Bowser

[jleidigh]

Unfortunately I suspect they are the Dev Team. They have been TOO quiet in the face of now 2 unlock methods.

[sam]

No its no us, we still working on it. From what can be told (if you go a few pages back) somone was about to buy actually information on the research and seemly have finished it.

As you can see from the thread you know what the answer to this bs is.

If the shit goes on sale, we will proberly knwo who is behind this.

[the_gts]

2 different sites one offering licences and the other offering the full software .. think its comming.
The dev team should have put a little bit mor effort in it ;)

[amagab]

So if it all starts selling tomorrow.....will the Dev Team still work on a free release???

[sakurachung]

Dev Team don't give up .
if they have done it i believe you would have the way to free iPhone .
Please share with us .:rolleyes:

[OZiPhone]

Sam do you want the source for the software unlock. My company iphonesimfree can provide this to you after the initial release of the software to our subscribed users. I guess someone took my offer seriously but i couldnt let the cat out of the bag when you quoted me the other day.

[jekyoo_style]

No its no us, we still working on it. From what can be told (if you go a few pages back) somone was about to buy actually information on the research and seemly have finished it.

As you can see from the thread you know what the answer to this bs is.

If the shit goes on sale, we will proberly knwo who is behind this.

i know there is probably a language barrier but are you saying that someone in the dev team sold critical information on the iphone unlocking to a company?

[sam]

Not from our core team thats, for sure, see 3 pages back. We clearly rejected this unethical offer and even made it public to shed some light on the strange practice nowadays.

But I can only speak for our team, don't know whats up with the guys from geohot's team or, there is a very advanced database made by the main reverser who actually did all the work for geo, which could be possibly been in other peoples hands and slipped out. The guy himself for sure not did that.

But there still other possibilities and we won't know for sure I think. From the point of view of the ongoing sellout surfing on the tides of the iphone unlock hype (thanks to nbc and friends), we can only say these offers have been made to the teams by them and as we rejected it someone else must have accepted it.

The only thing sure so far is that actually there have been attemps by those guys to buy the unlock and that someone must have sold them something or they couldn't present this now.

[ptan218]

Hi Sam,

You and the dev team will still have my support. I hope you will still continue your work and provide us with a free sim unlock.

Cheers

[bowser]

Same here Sam, work your magic and steal the thunder from these guys! That should teach them! :cool:

[PSLiNK]

So OZiphone is related to iphonesimfree...???

[juk]

these commercial websites aren't getting a cent from me.

Whereas you guys are likely to receive another donation from me. Keep up the good work.

[metronet]

these commercial websites aren't getting a cent from me.

Whereas you guys are likely to receive another donation from me. Keep up the good work.

looks like companies won't be able to make money off the software "legally"...

the ultimate software unlock from the Dev team might be the only solution for us :)

[pipas@intra.co.mz]

Come on, it seems others have acheived the full software unlock. We are all waiting for you to do it too. Fingers crossed, hoping for you do do it soon.
Many, many thanks for all that are working hard for this goal, and I hope the people that are behind those sites that want to make money from this do not succeed before the DEV TEAM. Many thanks also to Geohot and the guys in Croatia and Australia for the Super Sim solution. You all deserve all the best in life

[997TT]

Come on, it seems others have acheived the full software unlock.


Really? WHO? I haven't seen ONE SINGLE officially (by reliable sources or better: longtime hackint0sh users) confirmed software unlock. Have you? :p

There is a saying: "after the war, there are many heroes...". I hope you get my drift. ;)

[eddy123]

:) I just hoped software unlock will come true. No matter Dev Team did it or others.

Of course, the ultimate goal is to see Dev Team unlocked it. With future upgrade firmware supported:D

[iPhowned]

Please ... Have you read this?

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-unlocked-atandt-loses-iphone-exclusivity-august-24-2007/

It has been verified by engadget.com

Oh well, I think you dont know engadget.com, nvm.

Really? WHO? I haven't seen ONE SINGLE officially (by reliable sources or better: longtime hackint0sh users) confirmed software unlock. Have you? :p

There is a saying: "after the war, there are many heroes...". I hope you get my drift. ;)

[zhihmeng]

Please ... Have you read this?

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-unlocked-atandt-loses-iphone-exclusivity-august-24-2007/

It has been verified by engadget.com

Oh well, I think you dont know engadget.com, nvm.

Hey...Nobody thinks it maybe a hardware unlock iPhone to pretend a software unlock one?

I saw this possibility, because even engadget can't tell them without depart this fake-softunlock iPhone.

Tell me if I am wrong...

[ptan218]

Hey...Nobody thinks it maybe a hardware unlock iPhone to pretend a software unlock one?

I saw this possibility, because even engadget can't tell them without depart this fake-softunlock iPhone.

Tell me if I am wrong...
Well, come to think of it... Did Engadget see the firmware being flashed and unlock?

The video seems to me that they are being demonstrated the iphone that's using the T-mobile SIM. Well, anyone that do a GeoHotz can do that now, isn't it? :)

Let's see if iphonesimfree can fulfil what they have promised in the next few days.

[ozzielad]

It was reported as being a software unlock that was "completed in a few minutes right before my eyes" (or something like that) to his own iPhone. They couldn't have done the hardware hack so quickly.

O

[ptan218]

It was reported as being a software unlock that was "completed in a few minutes right before my eyes" (or something like that) to his own iPhone. They couldn't have done the hardware hack so quickly.

O
I see. I might have missed out that statement. Too overly excited. ;)

[Lardnapkin]

62 different discussions weather it was a hoax or not.......this is getting tiring,


Baffles me to think people actually believes Engadget would pull something like this. WHAT would they gain?.


now can we pleeeaase get back to the mission?

[Dragg1e]

62 different discussions weather it was a hoax or not.......this is getting tiring,


Baffles me to think people actually believes Engadget would pull something like this. WHAT would they gain?.


now can we pleeeaase get back to the mission?

I agree!!! Engadget wouldnt post anything to damage their reputation!!!
We'll just have to wait and see.

[Shark]

This is just another gimmick advertising from Belfast based UniquePhones. As expected they came up with a lame excuse just before the release date. The hope still lives in the DevTeam, keep up the good work:)

[Ahmedmuh]

1) Any update on where do we stand?
2) Is there a solution but it needs time to work on? or there is no solution yet, and the search is going on for a solution?

3) Thank you very much for the great work, and I appreciate you work!

Ahmed, from Saudi Arabia...

[OZiPhone]

Yes Geohots sold the rights to his software unlock.

[Dave]

And the dev team has posted unilty for the turbo sim HOW HAS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE IPHONE UNLOCK.
See the dev has nothing better to post .
Havent updated in a long time then they update about sms turbo sim?why
Come on whats going on .
Sam can you tell us?

[photoman]

Yes Geohots sold the rights to his software unlock.

Who to and when?

[dragon-tmd]

Who to and when?If you read the thread, you can come to the conclusion, that geo sold his software unlock to OZiPhone of iphonesimfree ...

[photoman]

If you read the thread you can come to the conclusion, that geo sold his software unlock to OZiPhone and his http://www.iphonesimfree "firm" ...

I've read the thread but making a conclusion from it over the current ownership of any software is confusing.

Does Oziphone own iphonesimfree.com?
I know he says that Geo sold the software but he doesn't say who to or when.
Geo himself says that he contacted iphonesimfree with an offer to verify their software but has not received a reply

http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/2007/08/iphone-has-been-traded.html

Does anyone not find it strange that the only person to have "verified" iphonesimfree.com is a contributor to Endgadget despite the fact that they state on their homepage that they welcome enquiries from media outlets? Absolutely no other report from anyone anywhere in the world!
The Engadget video does not show the unlocking process being done, only a supposedly software unlocked phone. Why?

[ozzielad]

To further murky the waters, the "contributor" to Engadget was one of their favourite writers ( and I think staff) Ryan Block.

If I've mis-spelt the name, sorry, I've had a few NZ Semillions tonight. hic.

But....I don't think there's a magic bullet theory at Engadget. They're kosher in my book.

O

[photoman]

To further murky the waters, the "contributor" to Engadget was one of their favourite writers ( and I think staff) Ryan Block.

If I've mis-spelt the name, sorry, I've had a few NZ Semillions tonight. hic.

But....I don't think there's a magic bullet theory at Engadget. They're kosher in my book.

O

It wouldn't be the first time someone has pulled the wool over his eyes regarding the iPhone. Look how he was quick to report that the iphone had been delayed for months! His evidence - a faked e-mail.

[applerob]

It wouldn't be the first time someone has pulled the wool over his eyes regarding the iPhone. Look how he was quick to report that the iphone had been delayed for months! His evidence - a faked e-mail.

A faked e-mail that even fooled people *inside* Apple.

Could they have faked it: absolutely. Is it the most likely thing: probably not.

[shovelhed]

I've read the thread but making a conclusion from it over the current ownership of any software is confusing.

Does Oziphone own iphonesimfree.com?
I know he says that Geo sold the software but he doesn't say who to or when.
Geo himself says that he contacted iphonesimfree with an offer to verify their software but has not received a reply

http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/2007/08/iphone-has-been-traded.html

Does anyone not find it strange that the only person to have "verified" iphonesimfree.com is a contributor to Endgadget despite the fact that they state on their homepage that they welcome enquiries from media outlets? Absolutely no other report from anyone anywhere in the world!
The Engadget video does not show the unlocking process being done, only a supposedly software unlocked phone. Why?

Whoa, I write for Engadget and Ryan's credibility is absolutely bulletproof. We would not and he would not intentionally mislead readers and the general public. The software unlock we used is absolutely 100 percent legit and works. Of this there is absolutely no doubt. Question all the strangeness surrounding this all you want, but know that we are NOT lying to the public.

Sean

[photoman]

If you read the thread, you can come to the conclusion, that geo sold his software unlock to OZiPhone of iphonesimfree ...

It would be the wrong conclusion.
Check out Geo's blog where he says

"Also I contacted iphonesimfree and offered to verify on this blog their claims of a software unlock. No response yet..."

[Gussy]

It would be the wrong conclusion.
Check out Geo's blog where he says

"Also I contacted iphonesimfree and offered to verify on this blog their claims of a software unlock. No response yet..."

What's to stop him just saying that?!?!?

[photoman]

Whoa, I write for Engadget and Ryan's credibility is absolutely bulletproof. We would not and he would not intentionally mislead readers and the general public. The software unlock we used is absolutely 100 percent legit and works. Of this there is absolutely no doubt. Question all the strangeness surrounding this all you want, but know that we are NOT lying to the public.

Sean

Were you there when the unlock was done? I ask because you say "we used".
Ryan has already demonstrated his ability to be duped by a fake e-mail!!!!!! so I wouldn't say he's bulletproof :D
Could this be a hoax carried out by a competitor to discredit him?
Did he video the unlock being carried out?
If he did, why not show it?
Maybe, he was just handed a "Geo" phone and didn't realize?:)

[sharkus]

Whoa, I write for Engadget and Ryan's credibility is absolutely bulletproof. We would not and he would not intentionally mislead readers and the general public. The software unlock we used is absolutely 100 percent legit and works. Of this there is absolutely no doubt. Question all the strangeness surrounding this all you want, but know that we are NOT lying to the public.

Sean

Sean,
Could you possibly give Ryan a poke and ask if he'd like to answer a few questions that many of us have about the unlock? One of the many questions would be;

Did they (iphonesimfree) send you (Ryan/Engadget) an unlocked iPhone, or did they unlock an existing iPhone you had? If they sent you an unlocked iPhone then can you open it up and see if you can detect any sign of a hardware hack being applied to it? Difficult to check I know.

[patvg]

Were you there when the unlock was done? I ask because you say "we used".
Ryan has already demonstrated his ability to be duped by a fake e-mail!!!!!! so I wouldn't say he's bulletproof :D
Could this be a hoax carried out by a competitor to discredit him?
Did he video the unlock being carried out?
If he did, why not show it?
Maybe, he was just handed a "Geo" phone and didn't realize?:)
on Engadget's video-proof : everything which is shown on the screen, I have the same on my iPhone using TurboSIM ! just the part of the movie taking out the T-Mobile SIM is different, but is it real ?

[sam]

And the dev team has posted unilty for the turbo sim HOW HAS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE IPHONE UNLOCK.
See the dev has nothing better to post .
Havent updated in a long time then they update about sms turbo sim?why
Come on whats going on .
Sam can you tell us?

That was a tool iZsh wrote and thought it might be useful to a hell lot of people who got problems with their turbosim. Bad to give you guy some handy tool while working on the unlock? It's seriously strange, if you don't say anything you are bad, if you give some stuff out useful you are bad too :confused:
I could seriously threw you to death with 1000 tools related to the process but none of them will unlock your phone or be handy to you in another way as they were written for testing purpose. :(

[goodcompany]

Whoa, I write for Engadget and Ryan's credibility is absolutely bulletproof. We would not and he would not intentionally mislead readers and the general public. The software unlock we used is absolutely 100 percent legit and works. Of this there is absolutely no doubt. Question all the strangeness surrounding this all you want, but know that we are NOT lying to the public.

Sean

Hey Sean. Can you answer the question as to why you promoted Unique Phones on your front page as having a 2nd solution, before you had actually verified the existence of the solution or the background of the company? I'm referring to this post:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-software-unlock-competition-begins-to-heat-up/.

Did you see anything from these people in advance that led you to believe in their credibility? Was it just some guy who e-mailed you? It's not entirely clear yet, but it seems they might have been bluffing in attempt to fill out their e-mail database of iPhone owners. Let me emphasize the word *might*, cause we don't know. There were just a lot of circumstances surrounding their botched release that indicate they might not actually have the goods - not the least of which being that no one has verified it.

Has anyone been able to verify their 3am lawyer story? Do you think that you and Ryan have treated Unique Phones with an appropriate degree of skepticism?

Thanks,.

[photoman]

Sean,

Could you also establish if Ryan video taped the actual unlocking process?
If he did, why not show it?
If he didn't, why not?

[shovelhed]

Were you there when the unlock was done? I ask because you say "we used".
Ryan has already demonstrated his ability to be duped by a fake e-mail!!!!!! so I wouldn't say he's bulletproof :D
Could this be a hoax carried out by a competitor to discredit him?
Did he video the unlock being carried out?
If he did, why not show it?
Maybe, he was just handed a "Geo" phone and didn't realize?:)

No, I wasn't there! We just saw the before and after prrof.. It was on his iPhone, not one shipped to him.
Apple was duped by the same mail, it came from inside their mail system.
Am not sure if he videoed it or not.
If he did video it, the "unlocker" likely asked him not to.

S.

[shovelhed]

It was posted as they said they'd have one... we posted same. that we didn't have the proof.. We have no clue what is legit or not as far as they are concerned.

[shiney]

That was a tool iZsh wrote and thought it might be useful to a hell lot of people who got problems with their turbosim. Bad to give you guy some handy tool while working on the unlock? It's seriously strange, if you don't say anything you are bad, if you give some stuff out useful you are bad too :confused:
I could seriously threw you to death with 1000 tools related to the process but none of them will unlock your phone or be handy to you in another way as they were written for testing purpose. :(


hey sam...go on wid d work man...dont worrry if wiki is not updated...better update it wid unlock than a formal update and get us the good news.....cheers to the dev team!!!!

[shovelhed]

Sean,

Could you also establish if Ryan video taped the actual unlocking process?
If he did, why not show it?
If he didn't, why not?

Though I can guarantee Ryan was not duped. He is a terribly smart fella and really, working is working is working. Unlocked or not unlocked is a really simple distinction to make.

[photoman]

Though I can guarantee Ryan was not duped. He is a terribly smart fella and really, working is working is working. Unlocked or not unlocked is a really simple distinction to make.

Would you agree that the video really doesn't prove that a software unlock exists?
It's a very simple process to program a chip with another carriers info - The T-Mobile could be cloned from an AT&T?
The phone he used could have been hardware unlocked?

He stated that the process was painless on his end but fails to explain how it was done or show a video of it as it happens.

Don't you consider it odd that absolutely no-one else is reporting having had their phone unlocked via software?

[shovelhed]

No, it proves he has an unlocked handset. His claim is it was software unlocked.
Yeah, SIM cloning can be done, but this is his T-Mob SIM, not a clone.
No, the phone he has was not hardware unlocked. Did I not mention that it was Software unlocked already?
I can only assume he was asked not to, so he didn't..
No, I don't... We're Engadget, apparently instead of three media outlets, they chose one :)

You seem to have it set in your mind that we're dishonest and are trying to pull the wool over your eyes.. why is that?
Obviously you won't believe what we've said and that is totally cool.. I've said what I'll sayon the matter and hopefully time will tell ( I say hopefully as it still isn't for sale...)

[photoman]

No, it proves he has an unlocked handset. His claim is it was software unlocked.
Yeah, SIM cloning can be done, but this is his T-Mob SIM, not a clone.
No, the phone he has was not hardware unlocked. Did I not mention that it was Software unlocked already?
I can only assume he was asked not to, so he didn't..
No, I don't... We're Engadget, apparently instead of three media outlets, they chose one :)

You seem to have it set in your mind that we're dishonest and are trying to pull the wool over your eyes.. why is that?
Obviously you won't believe what we've said and that is totally cool.. I've said what I'll sayon the matter and hopefully time will tell ( I say hopefully as it still isn't for sale...)

Don't get so defensive, I'm not calling anyone dishonest. If Gizmodo were to have published this video you would be all over it like a rash questioning the validity.

Engadget announced this as proof positive that there was a software unlock but have failed to provide any evidence.
Considering that Ryan has published false information before without corroborating it, it's only reasonable to assume that he may have been hoaxed again?

[shovelhed]

No, how? How can he have bben hoaxed?
Let me break it down for ya...

1) Has locked phone
2) Software is used to unlock phone
3) Has unlocked phone.

Pretty clear.

[cuzco]

You seem to have it set in your mind that we're dishonest and are trying to pull the wool over your eyes.. why is that?

Some folks here seem to be under the impression that impenetrable cynicism = intelligence.

I've never personally seen a yeti crab (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/12/photogalleries/sea-animals/images/primary/yeti-crab-big.jpg) or visited Angkor Wat (http://www.pandaw.com/downloads/gallery/Mekong%20Scenic/Angkor%20Wat.jpg) but I'm sucker enough to believe they exist.

The grassy knoll faction will never be satisfied until they see the unlock with their own eyes.

[photoman]

No, how? How can he have bben hoaxed?
Let me break it down for ya...

1) Has locked phone
2) Software is used to unlock phone
3) Has unlocked phone.

Pretty clear.


Well, as you were not there when the "unlock" was done how do you know?
I bet you believed the story about the iPhone being delayed too?
That turned out to be a hoax too!

[photoman]

The grassy knoll faction will never be satisfied until they see the unlock with their own eyes.

I've never believed there was more than a single shooter just as their is no evidence to prove that there was a software unlock used.
All we've been told is;

It was painless and a piece of software was used.
How it was implemented must remain a secret:)

And this priceless information comes from someone who was hoaxed by a fake e-mail!

[shovelhed]

Nope, I wasn't there.
Just relax and wait for them to release it for public consumption.. unless, Apple legal ruins the fun (and I really hope they don't)

[shovelhed]

Yeah.. it does. Apple Emloyees were also "hoaxed" byt this mail. We corrected it immedaitely after we learned it was a email somehow sent from inside Apple's system using their servers and their internal notice address.

Anyhow.. this discussion has become useless. Once it's out we can resume this conversation

[cuzco]

And this priceless information comes from someone who was hoaxed by a fake e-mail!

One mistake and your integrity is suspect for the rest of your life? Kinda harsh don't you think?

[photoman]

One mistake and your integrity is suspect for the rest of your life? Kinda harsh don't you think?

No, this is the second mistake:)

As for questioning his integrity, I would only do that if he was involved in the hoax.

As "shovelhed" has said, this conversation is now useless. Engadget are now in the same position as uniquephones. Desperately waiting for someone - the DevTeam? - to come forward with an unlock so they can say "We told you so!"

[goodcompany]

Sean, if you missed my earlier post in this thread please go back and check it out.

Real quick, to the doubters and conspiracy theorists: I think you have to be high to believe that Ryan or Sean or anyone at Engadget would seriously consider being involved in a stunt of this nature. Perhaps a little paranoid as well. It's just not what Engadget does, at least not willingly.

The angle that I think is more relevant, and the aspect of this saga I am trying to understand is with regard to Unique Phones and how exactly they broke to the frontpage of Engadget immediately after the demo and verification of the 1st solution.

Sean, can you shed any light on this for us - did Unique Phones show or say anything to you guys that caused you to consider them more legitimate or that caused you to take their claim more seriously than say, you would take me if right now in this very thread I told you I had the world's 3rd software based unlocking solution? (By the way, I don't...so please don't publish that)

Did they share a video, or send you any other materials? Or did they just seem credible for some other reasons? Have you worked with or had any previous experience with these guys?

I am trying to get a handle on what goes on at Engadget behind the scenes when a story like this breaks, and what kind of process or filter you have set up to screen for companies that might be running scams or are not operating in good faith.

I have to think you must get a lot of strange tips and claims from people all day,...so what was it precisely about this claim, or the circumstances surrounding the claim which made you feel it was legitimate enough to run with it?

[staticfish]

I urge all of you guys to listen to the latest twit podcast. Ryan block from Engadget is on the show and talks in depth about the unlock.

twit.tv/twit

[amagab]

I urge all of you guys to listen to the latest twit podcast. Ryan block from Engadget is on the show and talks in depth about the unlock.

twit.tv/twit

Too bad it was recorded last Friday. Man, that Ryan dude sure is putting his reputation on the line. He sounds a bit easy to fool in my opinion. Hope he's correct on this one.

[Gussy]

I am listening to it now.

It changes thing slightly.

I thought a "software" unlock was a thing you ran on your computer, but apparentley its an app ro load up onto the phone.

[shovelhed]

???
Good lord...

[photoman]

???
Good lord...

Could you ask Ryan if Victoria Belmont was there to witness the unlock?

[yamefa]

Hi Guys

First I want to thank all the dev team for their innovations and their work.
And second I would like to know because I can read more and more posts about the 1.02 update which screw a lot of us.
By reading the posts I can tell that at less hundred of us have their iphone bricked because of the firmware update.
So I would like to know if some people in the dev team are working to find a way to restore the iphones to a previous update ?

Thanks

[sxt173]

did you guys see the latest video on iphoneunlocking.com?

http://blog.iphoneunlocking.com/

[croatsensation1]

Yes i saw it seems legit but a bit grainy. Oh well lets hope again and finally release this bloody thing. Also in the video is he saying you need a pc to do this or will it be mac capable. I would assume that would be the case.

[croatsensation1]

sorry he did not say you need a pc, he showed it being done with a pc, my bad.

[semthex]

Seriously, this video prooves nothing. It just shows these guys have another trick to hold people up to sell a unlock once available. Redicilous, even more redicilous is their call for press contacts to promote their shit even more.

[Snowbird]

All,

Assuming, and I repeat, assuming that said unlock does exist and functions as advertised, I believe that what is specified in point 10 in the iPhoneSimFree FAQ is very important and a key for all Dev teams out there that are trying to discovering their own unlock process --

10. Question: What is the process the end user will go through? Answer: Currently our initial release will require that the end user activate and “jail break” in order to place our app on the phone. (We are working toward a fully automated pc/mac application to be released shortly after launch)

Will this application 1) need to be run one time or after an upgrade (assuming so, I’m sure that the application is stored in a directly that remains “untouched” after an upgrade, or 2) runs in the background as a daemon that “holds” something down or as a spoofing engine that convinces the iPhone into thinking that AT&T’s SIM is still the active SIM card and not the SIM card that is actually in the phone via IMEI remapping or 3) is it nothing more than a software version of TSIM or equivalent that achieves the same end via different means? To my thinking, these are very important point that requires investigation.

Once again, assuming that said crack exists -- and I believe that it does -- iPhoneSimFree states both in their FAQ and elsewhere that their “crack” is very simple. I think that this a key point again. Not wishing to offend anyone or any of the EXTRAORDINARY efforts that anyone has made thus far, perhaps one of the things that preventing us all from coming up with a crack is that we’re all thinking too intelligently about a possible solution and need to think in more simplistic terms which is what iPhoneSimFree seems to have done?

Finally, one of the questions that is troubling me is as follows: iPhoneSimFree plans to sell this “application” or “crack” individually within the next few days and make lots of money in doing so. What will prevent someone that has purchased said crack from sharing it with the group and then modifying it in such a way that they come up with a public domain crack? Either 1) iPhoneSimFree will release the software ONLY after they’ve received all the orders and/or reached their desired targets, or 2) their software crack works exactly like the iPhone in that it is protected in precisely the same way as the iPhone itself is. Yet again, assuming that it is -- and I fail to see how it could be otherwise if said software exists -- then once again this is a key point that needs to be considered by the Dev team.

Food for thought.

[jyavenard]

Will this application 1) need to be run one time or after an upgrade (assuming so, I’m sure that the application is stored in a directly that remains “untouched” after an upgrade, or 2) runs in the background as a daemon that “holds” something down or as a spoofing engine that convinces

None of what you're suggesting would resist a full restore.

[shiney]

SAM and other devs how close r u guys to a software unlock..??...

[osldwm]

Not true.. the iPhone is now totally unlocked from AT&T via the SW, and not no SIM hack/ clone. Look here:

http://blog.iphoneunlocking.com/

Video shows you all how it's done, how easy it is. Looks all real to me, and would love to know/ get my hands on the SW. So if any of you here know about this, and can find out what SW it is he is using then spread the word. :D

[vpr]

Not true.. the iPhone is now totally unlocked from AT&T via the SW, and not no SIM hack/ clone. Look here:

http://blog.iphoneunlocking.com/

Video shows you all how it's done, how easy it is. Looks all real to me, and would love to know/ get my hands on the SW. So if any of you here know about this, and can find out what SW it is he is using then spread the word. :D

Now I do understand who's the target for that scam! :D

[aka_fx]

Magic ! After few week where ANYBODY say iphoneunlocking.com is an hoax... someone think he discover the graal with them ! Magic !

[997TT]

Not true.. the iPhone is now totally unlocked from AT&T via the SW, and not no SIM hack/ clone. Look here:

http://blog.iphoneunlocking.com/

Video shows you all how it's done, how easy it is. Looks all real to me, and would love to know/ get my hands on the SW. So if any of you here know about this, and can find out what SW it is he is using then spread the word. :D

How do you spell the word DUMB? :rolleyes:

[bhargavi]

Lmfao :) ......................................:d

[aussienick85]

How do you spell the word DUMB? :rolleyes:

This is the best post on here :D

[sam]

Someone beliving in Videos, is proberly somone also believing in Blair Witch.

[pendalf]

Someone beliving in Videos, is proberly somone also believing in Blair Witch.

who in the hell is blair witch?

[ztaafen]

who in the hell is blair witch?
A popular movie from 1999. ;)

http://www.blairwitch.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blair_Witch_Project

[Flintstone]

Someone beliving in Videos, is proberly somone also believing in Blair Witch.

WTF, now do not tell me Blair Witch was a fake? The next thing you tell me is that Santa and the Easter Bunny are fraud as well?

:D

[sam]

No Santa is for real, he is in feud with Borat, don't belive me? See here:

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/24000/Borat-Santa-Clause-3--24394.jpg

[kanzaman]

Hey guys

Just a side note
DO you guys know which time zone those guys on iphonesimfree are
It seems 48-72 hrs hasn't come yet
I was just wondering if they were from another planet or something
Or if they accidently found time travel tooo
:D

and for those who think the vid on iphoneunlock is legit, a brand new iphone has a sim card in it, when it turns on for the first time it says connect to itunes to activate
both of which were not present in this apparently almost new iphone, this is a phone already activated probably using hardware hack technique

kanzaman

[MobDown]

Sam, you're my heroes. To all the guys who worked so hard, I'm giving you guys free VIPs on my website once you guys got the unlock done. I'll email you guys once you succeed, then I'll provide the rewards.

[osldwm]

How do you spell the word DUMB? :rolleyes:

Hmm let me see.. take a mirror and you should at least see what dumb looks like :-D I have tested their solutin and am using my iphone completely without SIM clone/hack, and just by using their stuff (SW) So what was it you were saying you cracker jack wanna be? :eek:

[mickangel]

Not true.. the iPhone is now totally unlocked from AT&T via the SW, and not no SIM hack/ clone. Look here:

http://blog.iphoneunlocking.com/

Video shows you all how it's done, how easy it is. Looks all real to me, and would love to know/ get my hands on the SW. So if any of you here know about this, and can find out what SW it is he is using then spread the word. oh dear... there's one born every second on this boardHmm let me see.. take a mirror and you should at least see what dumb looks like :-D I have tested their solutin and am using my iphone completely without SIM clone/hack, and just by using their stuff (SW) So what was it you were saying you cracker jack wanna be? You can stop digging now, the hole you're in seems deep enough.

[osldwm]

oh dear... there's one born every second on this boardYou can stop digging now, the hole you're in seems deep enough.

tell me what it is like to be so envy... cause your turning green :D

[akhedairy]

is the dev team still working on an unlock? they're shadier than iphonesimfree.

[sojaner]

Hi, Sam.
I have two little question:

First:
I will receive my iPhone on Saturday and I live in a country other than US so will wait for you hack, but the question is: "If activate my iPhone using the DVD Jon's hack, could it still be hacked by your hack, or I should not activate it till then? (I want to use it's iPod to make the time pass easier till your hack releases!)".

Second:
Is there going to be a Window$ version of your hack available? I have no money to buy an Apple and also no one of my friends have an Apple!

At the end! Could you please tell me how much it will take to finish it!? I can't stand waiting!

Thanx for your great work. :)

[FromVenezuela]

Moderator,

Could you please remove the actual progress report? Every time I visit the site, I do feel I'm living in the past! :(

Is there any news? Is there any progress? Is somebody there? :confused:

FromVenezuela :cool:

[leonari]

with all due respect: Having trouble to find the unlock is one thing. But not keeping loyal readers and donators posted is just...shady. Yes indeed shady. What does it cost the dev wiki team to update their progress? Or simply tell us: we have problems making progress.

Instead the site doesn't get updated for ages...


You want us to donate cash but thus far you guys haven't delivered much more than iphonesimfree.com... sorry but that is the truth.

And it pisses me off hardcore.

[sam]

We are currently still working on a solution. It's a difficult way.
Not that one wouldn't make progress but every time, you look a solution in the eyes you are dragged away by something nasty in the end which gets you stuck.
The last update on the wiki was made to support people with a quite older tool from previous development to help nt all but at least a few to fix their problem. If it disturbed you to read no update, we are sorry, but let me asure you weworking hard on something.
I personally have a 40h work week and spend every dy beside my job like 7 hours on iphone, this since 2 months with nearly no fre time for myself left. Belive me if there is someone who wants this to end its me currently, but I wont' go without a solution.
All I do here, I do for basicly nothing more than fun, still I have troubles understand why people moan still on stuff they get for free.

You will get an update if something worth reporting can be told, but the only fuckin thing left to report would be a successful software unlock.
Until than, please do me the favour and don't moan all day on what is reported or not.

[sam]

You want us to donate cash but thus far you guys haven't delivered much more than iphonesimfree.com... sorry but that is the truth.

And it pisses me off hardcore.

Man, you know what pisses me off? Exactly this. You have seriously no clue on what was done for even just dumping this fucking NOR which is basicly one of the hughest steps forward and without real revering of the whole system became possible.

If you don't see the diffrence between what we spend the last 2 months of our time for and archived in compare to and basicly nothing more than PR than you are clueles sor simply blind.

Seriously even if ipsf ever turns out to be real, which I doubt, be asured their unlock was massivly supported by the information we published and the tools which might not make a sense to you cause you don't understand them but are extremly hardcore stuff.

Without us you couldn't even fuckin jailbreak or proper activate. Seriously, you could still enjoy your iBrick. If I hear a "but geohot" argument now, seriously without his time in the dev team, he would be proberly a iBrick too still.

With such writings I get pissed of as hell, seriously, I not invest my time into something like this to see such posting. The next time I should burn my research without sowing it to anyone if that keeps me from reading such.

[kookoo]

Sam ..ur totally right..ive been to countless forums about unlocking iphones...even that one that turned out to be a scam ...thefriendsociety one.. the jackass users kept bugging them even a day b4 it was supposed to be released ...even though it was fake it still shows how stupid and annoying people who want shit can be...ur doing us a service without asking much in return and these guys badger u about it...shame ..they can be blamed if u guys stop working on it,,

[pidec]

hey sam. you and the dev team are the heroes, even if you don't have a unlock-solution yet! you're doing a great job!!!

and to all other the NOOBS moaning all the time: Stop that pls!

if you want to have your iphone unlocked, do the hardware unlock or wait for your ipsf-unlock.

[davidbistolas]

Seriously, this video prooves nothing. It just shows these guys have another trick to hold people up to sell a unlock once available. Redicilous, even more redicilous is their call for press contacts to promote their shit even more.

Even MORE redicilous is how poorly you're spelling ridiculous. LOL.

Aside from that... I agree with you totally. I don't want to think this is a scam, but I sure as hell don't think it's 100% legit. Something smells wrong here. What it is I dont know.

[ale]

Hi, just wanted to say that I have a look sometimes to see if there are news, but I never even thought to blame you because you have not found the way to unlock it, as I'm sure it must be very hard. I don't get it why somebody does.
I donated a few bucks, by the way.
Good luck and thanks for what you've done and what you are doing :)

[sam]

Well why doing this? Its a intresting experince and has some kidn of self challange not anybody must understand ;) Well it's nothing lost yet, I still work the same amount of time for the unlock, yes a software unlock, like before. The no updates is just simply because I have nothing to tell you. Currently all done is reversing, testing, reversing testing and in between kill more and more ideas from your list.
Sometimes you even run aroudn some weird patchs for 2 or 3 days just to find out in the end there is a wall and you have to start over from somwhere else again. Sometimes such a try involvs 1000 lines of code you can simply but to the bin after it.
Yes sure its hard, but still have some faith, i won't spend my times to useless stuff if I wouldnt be certain there is a way. To all those moaners I just can tell, don't expect anybody around doing this having any great benifit or gain of this, its more liek seeing a lot of time and money go down the drain, which doantions could not cover even a bit. It just covers the bit of cost we have which would eat us up otherwise and wont allow us to do this or for free and fun even.

[JsR]

Sam and Dev's. Keep steaming away. Forget the unappreciative sods who cry loud and long. They will be the first to come screeming when there iphone bricks with Apples next iTunes upgrade. Let them pay dealer for their ignorance, hopefully nobody will respond to there requests. We give the Devs team a huge pat on the back for keeping apple at bay...... Cheers, JsR

[FromVenezuela]

Well why doing this? Its a intresting experince and has some kidn of self challange not anybody must understand ;) Well it's nothing lost yet, I still work the same amount of time for the unlock, yes a software unlock, like before. The no updates is just simply because I have nothing to tell you. Currently all done is reversing, testing, reversing testing and in between kill more and more ideas from your list.
Sometimes you even run aroudn some weird patchs for 2 or 3 days just to find out in the end there is a wall and you have to start over from somwhere else again. Sometimes such a try involvs 1000 lines of code you can simply but to the bin after it.
Yes sure its hard, but still have some faith, i won't spend my times to useless stuff if I wouldnt be certain there is a way. To all those moaners I just can tell, don't expect anybody around doing this having any great benifit or gain of this, its more liek seeing a lot of time and money go down the drain, which doantions could not cover even a bit. It just covers the bit of cost we have which would eat us up otherwise and wont allow us to do this or for free and fun even.

sam,

The bold paragraph is the best feedback that all the members of this forum can receive. Is not my intention to start a problem about communication but I'm a huge believer that leaders must communicate and I believe you're a great leader.

FromVenezuela :)